Re: [orca-list] miscellaneous Orca comments

[Janina Sajka <janina a11y org>]

Rich Caloggero writes:
> Janina Sajka Wrote:
> > But I am perplexed with the desire to recreate the console/screen
> > environment under a gui terminal app. What am I missing here? What
> > advantage does it offer? How and why is it the appropriate tool for a
> > particular task like vim editing, for example?
>
> For those without speakup in their kernel, it allows them to have the best 
> of both worlds: the GUI for tasks which require it (web browsing, 
> recording, etc), and a terminal for everything else!


Is Speakup too expensive? What? Because I think Orca's a long way from
equivalent access. In fact, I'm arguing it will never catch up. I'm
arguing it can't, just from the nature of where it lives in the stack.

Janina


> Am I missing something?
> -- Rich
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina rednote net>
> To: "David Csercsics" <aarg shaw ca>
> Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] miscellaneous Orca comments
>
>
> > I have wondered about gnome terminal vs console. It seems to me asking
> > for cli, ncurses, etc access on top of an X environment is, by
> > definition, more complex, more latent, and more prone to problems as
> > compared to access directly in a console. It seems to me console
> > accessibility will always be more robust and less latent. I would note,
> > furthermore, that the advantages of using a terminal are also available
> > in the console environment via screen, a powerful and very accessible
> > environment.
> >
> > I think I understand, I certainly applaud and intend to use to the utmost, 
> > orca and the gui desktop. I can't imagine better access in a complex 
> > environment like a modern web environment or a multitrack recording/audio 
> > editing application than what Orca has begun delivering.
> >
> > But I am perplexed with the desire to recreate the console/screen
> > environment under a gui terminal app. What am I missing here? What
> > advantage does it offer? How and why is it the appropriate tool for a
> > particular task like vim editing, for example?
> >
> > I am mindful that appropriateness to task is a meaningful criterion. One
> > can certainly roast marshmellows with a blow torch. But, why would one?
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >
> >
> > David Csercsics writes:
> > > > I have noticed the same thing.  I have also had the experience you
> > > > describe with gvim.  I'd suggest using gedit when in Gnome.
> > >
> > > Yeah, you can certainly do that though it is not as usable as vim as far
> > > as functionality is concerned. I find that vim has a much better 
> > > interface
> > > for a lot of things especially when it comes to coding. I can't find a
> > > nice equivalent for a lot of the vim functionality in gedit like folds,
> > > for example. Or the % keystroke. There are a bunch of other nice features
> > > that vim has that I like as well. So while you can certainly use gedit
> > > it is less efficient and I'm really not up for using an inferior text
> > > editor when the other should work. The gnome terminal access should be a
> > > bit better than it is. I don't know how to fix most things because it's
> > > not obvious to me what is broken but I'd be happy to help work on it if
> > > somebody wants to help figure out where the problems are. Ideally I'd
> > > like to use gnome terminal for my usual terminal work which includes
> > > things like text editing and email and the like without a lot of
> > > clunkiness. Gnome terminal has issues with scrolling text as well. I
> > > know what's going on but it is not obvious to me how to fix the issues. I
> > > can work around the existing problems with the terminal with a bit of
> > > effort but it should be fixed at some point to make things that much
> > > more usable.
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca
> >
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