Re: Spatial Mode Window Cluttering and Possible Solutions -- EOT

[Yuan Qi <gmanenews 3 maxchee spamgourmet com>]

Well, the only reason why I even came up with the idea is because of the 
recent controversies surrounding ubuntu hoary's patched nautilus' 
behaviour. I was hoping that people reading htis list would post some 
useful suggestions or a better alternative to my original proposal. 
Apparantly, this is not the case. I don't think most people even 
bothered to read the original proposal in detail. IT is simply treated 
as "yet another thread on spatial nautilus" (tm).

I agree with you in that nautilus's behaviour should be kept somewhat 
constant. I suggest that the nautilus team could post some python 
mockups of possible new behaviour changes for people to test. This will 
allow a greater degree of innovation in nautilus.

Alexander Larsson <alexl redhat com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 08:15 -0700, Raul Acevedo wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 19:29 +0900, Ryan McDougall wrote:
> >
> > > > > You guys realize that the nautilus developers are ignoring this thread,
> > > > > and when Alex gets back from vacation, the first thing he is going to do
> > > > > is delete it, right? Have we accomplished anything? It all seems rather
> > > > > masturbatory to me.
> >
> > > Good point...
> > >
> > > Well, lurking Nautilus developers... what *do* you think of this thread?
> > > I'd be curious to hear Alex's opinion when he is back too.
>
>
> Well, what can I say... 
>
> I try to read most threads about spatial nautilus, to get an idea of
> what people think about it and see what ideas people come up with (even
> though in general such threads quickly become way too emotional, and
> often very demotivating). 
>
> I very rarely reply to such threads though, unless I have some very
> specific question about the post. I'm really not a great interaction/ui
> designer, so I can't just read about an idea and immediately judge
> whether it would work well or not. If I were to post random ideas I
> have, or endorse some idea posted on a list/forum, people tend to think
> thats what Nautilus will be, even when they are likely wrong. Also, if I
> replied to everything related to spatial I'd be arguing about it 90% of
> my time.
>
> I take a very conservative stance on behaviour changes, because 1) once
> you change something, or add something its very very hard to remove
> it/change it back, and 2) there is a certain something to be said for a
> piece of software that lots of people use all the time to stay somewhat
> constant. Its not like someone just posted about the spatial idea and we
> immediately jumped on it. It took years from the first person talked
> about the spatial idea until we started implementing it, and this was a
> feature that other OSes already had implemented, so we had experience to
> draw from.
>
> So, my approach to this is: I try read a lot of what people say on this
> subject, remember the best ideas and talk about them with the other
> maintainers and other people who's judgement I trust. All this sort of
> stays around in the back of my head all the time, and eventually some
> ideas/proposals may prove good enough and we'll implement them.
>
> The best way to influence us is to post your ideas, trying to describe
> them as well as possible, and thinking about the details of them.
> Getting into huge fights with someone who disagrees with your idea is
> not so interesting to read, but taking such input and having it in your
> description as negative consequences of your approach is good (no
> solution have only positive sides). Also, even though you think your
> idea is the best thing since sliced bread, don't except us to
> immediately pick it up and implement it.
>
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