[Nautilus-list] Re: bugzilla down? (was Re: Anonymous files) (Darin Adler)
- From: peter foley <peter foley Sun COM>
- To: nautilus-list lists eazel com
- Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: bugzilla down? (was Re: Anonymous files) (Darin Adler)
- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:25:06 +0100
the front page is still there - but if you try and do a query/log a bug
you get the following error message:
"Software error:
Can't connect to database server. at globals.pl line 87."
cheers,
Peter.....
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> 1. Re: Re: GNOME theme in Mozilla (was GNOME user
> environment brainstorming) (David Tabachnikov)
> 2. some icon gtk container. (Dennis Smit)
> 3. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 4. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Bastien Nocera)
> 5. Re: [gnome-love] GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 6. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 7. Re: Re: [gnome-love] GNOME user environment
> brainstorming (Glynn Foster)
> 8. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Sander Vesik)
> 9. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 10. Anonymous files (Jonas De Vuyst)
> 11. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Bastien Nocera)
> 12. Re: [PMH] Re: [Nautilus-list] Idea for Nautilus and GMC. (Alexander Skwar)
> 13. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Laszlo PETER)
> 14. Re: Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (John Fleck)
> 15. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 16. Re: Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 17. Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (Calum Benson)
> 18. bugzilla down? (was Re: Anonymous files) (Darin Adler)
> 19. Re: Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming (John Sullivan)
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>
> Message: 1
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME theme in Mozilla (was GNOME user
> environment brainstorming)
> From: David Tabachnikov <captain bezeqint net>
> To: gemi bluewin ch
> Cc: Ian McKellar <yakk yakk net au>,
> Caleb J "." Land
> <bokonon rochester rr com>, gemi bluewin ch,
> Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>, Darin Adler <darin bentspoon com>,
> nautilus-list eazel com
> <y5w66eqe6u9 fsf icon labs redhat com>
> <20010525001810 A9899 scriabin cablecom ch>
> <990743293 27875 0 camel helga granfalloon com>
> <20010524154927 Z15726 yakk net au>
> <20010525010026 A10521 scriabin cablecom ch>
> Date: 25 May 2001 12:51:03 +0300
>
> On 25 May 2001 01:00:26 +0200, Gérard Milmeister wrote:
> >
> > On 2001.05.24 09:49 Ian McKellar wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 06:28:12PM -0400, Caleb J. Land wrote:
> > > > On 25 May 2001 00:18:10 +0200, Gérard Milmeister wrote:
> > > > > Why the move to another default GTK theme. Because it looks a little
> > > more
> > > > > like Windows?
> > > >
> > > > No, probably because it looks less like Motif :-)
> > > >
> > > > Really though, the old theme *did* suck IMO, and I'm glad that it's
> > > > being phased out.
> > >
> > > Though moving to Crux would be nicer (in my biased opinion).
> > In mine too, or something like ThinIce.
> > --
> > Gérard Milmeister
> > Tannenrauchstr. 35
> > 8038 Zürich
> >
>
> Why not use Adept? It's both network-friendly and looks very attractive.
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:33:08 +0200
> From: Dennis Smit <synap area101 penguin nl>
> To: nautilus-list eazel com
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] some icon gtk container.
>
> Now we are talking about fancy gui stuff anyway what about making some
> kind of icon that is just an gtk container which can
> contain other gtk widgets like panel applets (sweeeeeeet) or other
> stuff...
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:56:24 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> To: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> Cody Russell wrote:
>
> > The problem is that there should be some method for system
> > administrators to install objects as read-only or something, so they
> > can't be removed or modified by users.
> >
> > I've thought about this one already, but haven't really come up with any
> > fantastic solutions. If anyone can think of one, I'd be willing to help
> > work on it.
>
> Wouldn't this just be another GConf issue? GConf allows sysadmins to
> set user, workgroup and enterprise-wide permissions (for example) on all
> manner of desktop things, providing we can persuade the maintainers of
> those desktop things to use GConf to store their configuarations anytime
> soon...
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
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> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
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> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] GNOME user environment brainstorming
> From: Bastien Nocera <hadess hadess net>
> To: eem12 cornell edu
> Cc: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>, nautilus-list eazel com,
> gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org,
> Calum Benson
> <calum benson ireland sun com>,
> James "M." Cape <jcape ignore-your tv>, Anna
> Dirks <anna ximian com>,
> Joakim Ziegler <joakim ximian com>
> Date: 25 May 2001 13:15:55 +0100
>
> On 24 May 2001 19:19:13 -0400, eem12 cornell edu wrote:
> >
> > Two cents from a list lurker ...
> >
> > On 24 May 2001, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> >
> > > Somewhere to Start
> > > ===
> > >
> > > A problem with the current desktop is that there's no clear "center" to
> > > it where you can find important information such as the control
> > > center, help browser, etc. We work around this a bit by adding
> > > shortcuts to the panel, but other than that you have to dive in to the
> > > forbidding and totally unusable Programs menu. If you change your
> > > panel icons, suddenly you can't find important stuff.
> >
> > IMO, the complexity of the Panel should be controlled by user levels as
> > well. Will novice user understand the idea of multiple desktops? Will
> > they ever even have enough windows open to need it?
> >
> > Along the same lines, in Beginner mode the Foot icon should probably have
> > a tooltip or some other means of drawing attention to it (perhaps pulsing
> > for a few seconds after login?), if that's going to continue being the
> > suggested way to launch apps. IIRC the original Win95 Explorer had an
> > animated arrow that highlighted the Start Button.
>
> That was 100% useless because the Windows "Start" button looked like a
> button, the Gnome Foot menu doesn't look like it can be clicked.
>
> That said, the Apple menu in MacOS doesn't look like it can be clicked
> either, but everybody knows the apple is the logo of the company the
> software of which they're using. Maybe the splash screen of
> gnome-session should show the Gnome logo, even if it's been changed by a
> VAR (like Ximian does).
>
> <snip>
> > > Miscellanea
> > > ===
> > >
> > > - unlock screen dialog from xscreensaver is ugly and doesn't look
> > > integrated, and the entry won't be accessible, use the standard
> > > key shortcuts, etc. So we need a GTK-ized xscreensaver unlock dialog.
> > > This will get jwz flaming left and right, and requires some
> > > nontrivial engineering due to suid issues, but such is life.
> >
> > Call it gscreensaver :)
>
> Talked to Jamie about this long ago, he is wanting to take patches to
> change the default look (to something more sober like xlockmore has for
> example), but no GTK+ port...
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> /Bastien Nocera
> http://hadess.net
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:26:49 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: [gnome-love] GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> Glynn Foster wrote:
>
> > /me imagines user [okay maybe semi/mostly-dumb user] press this key and
> > sit and stare at his/her printer for the next couple of minutes waiting
> > for a printout of the screen which never appears. I'm not a big fan of
> > this key :/
>
> Could we ship a new key with every copy of GNOME labelled "Take
> Screenshot" instead? :)
>
> You're right, it's labelled "Print Screen" for historical reasons, but
> it *would* be nice to have it take a screenshot, I think-- on Windoze,
> PrintScreen takes a snap of the whole desktop, and Alt+PrintScreen just
> the focused window. It's useful, but we could do better... e.g. pop up
> a dialog offering to Save, Copy to Clipboard, Open in GIMP etc.
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:48:26 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> eem12 cornell edu wrote:
>
> > IMO, the complexity of the Panel should be controlled by user levels as
> > well. Will novice user understand the idea of multiple desktops? Will
> > they ever even have enough windows open to need it?
>
> Well, I'm not a huge fan of user levels anyway, myself, but I don't
> think this is a user level issue particularly-- if people don't
> understand multiple desktops, they shouldn't switch them on :o) Or
> more importantly, if they do switch them on whilst exploring and don't
> understand them, we need to make sure it's easy to switch them right
> back off again. (But this sort of 'advanced' feature shouldn't be
> switched on by default for anyone, IMHO...)
>
> > Along the same lines, in Beginner mode the Foot icon should probably have
> > a tooltip or some other means of drawing attention to it
>
> Again, it should have a tooltip anyway, beginner mode or not. All icons
> should have an alternative textual description anyway (especially now
> that the ATK is here), and a tooltip is as good a place as any to put
> it.
>
> > IIRC the original Win95 Explorer had an animated arrow that highlighted the
> > Start Button.
>
> Now, to me that was always a classic example of having to add a whole
> new feature to explain another one, whereas if they'd designed the
> original one properly they wouldn't have had to :o)
>
> > If so, there should be an easy way to hide/show all open windows, a la
> > MacOS and KDE.
>
> Yep, that would be nice.
>
> > A Good Idea(tm) might be organizing by action rather than by application:
> >
> > Create a ...
> > Spreadsheet
> > Diagram
> > Letter
> > Graphic
>
> Ah, the old application-centric v. document-centric argument :o) Yes,
> document-centric has distinct advantages, but it often falls down in
> practice-- e.g. what if I use a different program for creating JPEGs
> than I do for GIFs? You can soon end up with so many special cases that
> it can become unusable... not to mention the between-apps rivalry that
> goes on so that you end up with things like "Create an AbiWord
> document", "Create an Open Office document" and "Create a GEdit
> document" all on the same menu, which virtually turns it back into an
> app-centric model again anyway :o)
>
> > IMO, "Start" or "Launch" is a more accurate (and action-oriented :)
> > adjective than "Run."
>
> "Launch" is maybe a bit geeky and unlikely to be understood by non-savvy
> users, I would think... "Start" maybe isn't too bad, though, despite its
> M$ overones ;o)
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:49:02 +0100
> From: Glynn Foster <glynn foster sun com>
> Reply-To: glynn foster sun com
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> To: rpmuldoon students wisc edu
> CC: "tbroyer ltgt net" <tbroyer ltgt net>, "hp redhat com" <hp redhat com>,
> "nautilus-list eazel com" <nautilus-list eazel com>,
> "gnome-love gnome org" <gnome-love gnome org>,
> "gnome-2-0-list gnome org" <gnome-2-0-list gnome org>,
> "calum benson ireland sun com" <calum benson ireland sun com>,
> "jcape ignore-your tv" <jcape ignore-your tv>,
> "anna ximian com" <anna ximian com>,
> "joakim ximian com" <joakim ximian com>
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] Re: [gnome-love] GNOME user environment
> brainstorming
>
> "rpmuldoon students wisc edu" wrote:
> >
> > 3. "Favorites" should allow applications as well as documents/urls.
> > Web pages and such should be treated on par with applications.
>
> I'm not a big fan of the "Favorites" [yeesh, someone tell these
> Americans
> how to spell :P] menu...and from what I understand talking to George
> about
> the new menu stuff, this could be eliminated, or at least [which I think
> is
> a better option] be replaced by 'My Documents' or 'My Favorite
> Documents'
> [or some sort of other variation] which contains docs, bookmarks, news
> items
> etc...
> I think duplicating launchers to apps in there is a bit pointless...I
> know
> I would never use it anyway....and would far prefer putting the launcher
> either on the panel or in it's proper position in the menus.
>
> > Also, with gconf-based preferences, something that would *totally* kick
> > ass is some means of doing roaming preferences. So, no matter where I log
> > on to a gnome computer, I can download my gconf settings for how my desktop
> > should behave. That would simply be unbelievably cool. It would probably
> > be at least half of a solution for making locked down configurations.
>
> Oh, this would be totally cool and would make the system administrators
> life a
> piece of cake if all desktop preferences could have the option of -
>
> a) getting configuration from a single source
> b) have the option of being locked down [ie. non-configurable]
>
> I'm not totally sure with the idea that this is a styleguide
> decision?...but
> what work needs to be done for this to be thought about seriously and
> not
> thrown on the blue sky wishlist? - I think it's important.
>
> See ya,
> Glynn ;)
>
> /me spell checks for the third time before sending :/
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:57:25 +0100 (BST)
> From: Sander Vesik <Sander Vesik Sun COM>
> To: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> cc: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> On Fri, 25 May 2001, Calum Benson wrote:
>
> > eem12 cornell edu wrote:
> >
> > > IMO, the complexity of the Panel should be controlled by user levels as
> > > well. Will novice user understand the idea of multiple desktops? Will
> > > they ever even have enough windows open to need it?
> >
> > Well, I'm not a huge fan of user levels anyway, myself, but I don't
> > think this is a user level issue particularly-- if people don't
> > understand multiple desktops, they shouldn't switch them on :o) Or
>
> I really disagree here - just because standard gnome installation is
> horribly unuasble when it comes to multiple desktops or in fact not
> showing the user any clue these were supported at all.
>
> > more importantly, if they do switch them on whilst exploring and don't
> > understand them, we need to make sure it's easy to switch them right
> > back off again. (But this sort of 'advanced' feature shouldn't be
> > switched on by default for anyone, IMHO...)
> >
>
> No, desk guide should come up by default unless user specificly turned it
> of. Not that it's obvious 'desk guide' was anything but a way to turn on
> some utterly horribly MS Office assistant (aka paperclip) clone.
>
> Do we want people goping back to CDE (or XFCE or ...) just because they
> don't want to have anything to do with a desktop system that can't even
> deal with multiple desktops.
>
> [big snip]
>
> >
> > Cheeri,
> > Calum.
> >
> > --
> > CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> > mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> > http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
> >
> > Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
> >
>
> Sander
>
> One day a tortoise will learn to fly
> -- Terry Pratchett, 'Small Gods'
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:05:00 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org,
> Anna Dirks <anna ximian com>, Joakim Ziegler <joakim ximian com>
> <3B0D9B29 B1E3362 ireland sun com>
> <y5w1ypecohd fsf icon labs redhat com>
> <3B0DA4B2 1EE6A6D6 ireland sun com> <y5wsnhub852 fsf icon labs redhat com>
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> Havoc Pennington wrote:
> >
> > Glynn Foster <glynn foster ireland sun com> writes:
> > >
> > > Is there any way that we can draw up a list of fixed requirements for apps to
> > > be included in 2.0 [I know this was discussed at length in GUADEC] but I think
> > > this is another important issue....a) adoption of gconf b) provide locking
> > > down mechanisms
> > >
> >
> > My thought is that the style guide is the place for this kind of
> > thing.
>
> Hmm, up to a point, but (quite legitimately) no app is ever going to
> follow every guideline in the book, and I defy anyone to come up with a
> rule that says "you're only a GNOME app if you meet n% of the applicable
> guidelines", let alone try and enforce it :o) GIMP would likely be out
> on it's neck before we even started, and we'd never have had seminal
> apps like Bryce or Poser on Windows or Macintosh if they'd been forced
> to follow any healthy percentage of their respective platforms'
> guidelines.
>
> (What's the status of the guidelines project BTW, Joakim, did you ever
> send round that call for volunteers? I haven't been following things as
> closely as I ought to for the past couple of weeks...)
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:14:30 +0200
> From: Jonas De Vuyst <jonas devuyst advalvas be>
> To: nautilus-list eazel com
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Anonymous files
>
> Hi,
>
> Since Nautilus shows previews of images and text (and more to be expected in
> the future?) the need for filenames has decreased. That is why I'd like to
> suggest anonymous files, these would be files for which no filename was
> displayed.
>
> I imagine this being useful for people that have a digital camera, I assume
> those files get useless names now anyway. Also I would use it myself for
> storing notes on the desktop, I would finally be able to get rid of foo.txt,
> bar.txt, etc..
>
> If something like this was implemented I would suggest having the filenames of
> anonymous files start with a ~ and followed by some random number. I suggest
> the ~ prefix because this is already used as a backup suffix and is thus
> already a special character.
>
> Extra logic would of course have to be implemented for when moving, copying or
> linking to an anonymous file, else you might turn up with filenames like "Copy
> of ~879645" or you might get an overwrite/rename/cancel dialog. Also the
> rename menu item would have to be called Set Name for anonymous files, the
> properties dialog would have to modified as well. When we get a new save
> dialog it would also have to be made to handle nameless files.
>
> For anonymous files I could think of only one problem, it would not be
> possible to change the extension. The only solutions I could think of are to
> have the real filename show up when choosing to set a filename or to have the
> real name show up in the properties dialog. Both are ugly IMO.
>
> So, how would others feel about such a feature?
>
> PS: I noticed that Bugzilla is down, is there a move to the Gnome Bugzilla
> perhaps?
>
> - Jonas
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] GNOME user environment brainstorming
> From: Bastien Nocera <hadess hadess net>
> To: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Cc: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> <3B0E549A 11249D60 ireland sun com>
> Date: 25 May 2001 14:44:38 +0100
>
> On 25 May 2001 13:48:26 +0100, Calum Benson wrote:
> > eem12 cornell edu wrote:
> > > IMO, "Start" or "Launch" is a more accurate (and action-oriented :)
> > > adjective than "Run."
> >
> > "Launch" is maybe a bit geeky and unlikely to be understood by non-savvy
> > users, I would think... "Start" maybe isn't too bad, though, despite its
> > M$ overones ;o)
>
> Windows uses "Execute...", not "Start". Execute is a fine wording for
> it, because it's exactly what it does.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> /Bastien Nocera
> http://hadess.net
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:47:36 +0200
> From: Alexander Skwar <ASkwar digitalprojects com>
> To: Pavel Machek <pavel ucw cz>
> Cc: Miguel de Icaza <miguel ximian com>, Ian McKellar <yakk yakk net au>,
> nautilus-list eazel com, mc gnome org, prion-me-harder ximian com
> Subject: Re: [PMH] Re: [Nautilus-list] Idea for Nautilus and GMC.
>
> So sprach Pavel Machek am Fri, May 25, 2001 at 01:31:31AM +0200:
> > I believe either
> >
> > "File %s has ELF header, but is not marked executable. Mark executable?"
>
> Uhm, that's too technical, I think. How about:
>
> 'File %s is an executable file. However, it lacks execution permissions.
> This means it cannot be executed. Shall I mark it as an executable and run
> it?'
>
> plus:
>
> 'WARNING! Do *NOT* run executables if you are not sure that you can trust
> the source! Running executables may be a security risk. The program may
> be a trojan horse or a virus. Because of this, it is possible that it will
> erase your hard disk, mail secret data to everyone on the internet and
> infect other computers! *ONLY* execute the binary if you are *ABSOLUTELY*
> sure that nothing bad will happen!'
>
> Maybe a little long....
>
> Alexander Skwar
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:30:29 +0100
> From: Laszlo PETER <Laszlo Peter ireland sun com>
> Reply-To: Laca ireland sun com
> Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland
> To: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org,
> Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>,
> "James M. Cape" <jcape ignore-your tv>, Anna Dirks <anna ximian com>,
> Joakim Ziegler <joakim ximian com>
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> Havoc Pennington wrote:
>
> > Miscellanea
> > ===
> >
> > - destroy gnome-help-browser, use Mozilla/Nautilus/something always
>
> [...]
>
> > Nautilus
> > ===
>
> Sorry if it was already mentioned, I haven't seen though:
>
> - Get rid of the Nautilus First Time Druid. It doesn't give the impression
> of an integrated desktop environment. Especially if you destroy
> gnome-help-browser, imagine a first time user who needs help and
> receives questions instead...
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laca
>
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:49:27 -0600
> From: John Fleck <jfleck inkstain net>
> To: nautilus-list lists eazel com
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 06:33:29PM -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
>
> > > >Miscellanea
> > > >===
> > > >
> > > >- destroy gnome-help-browser, use Mozilla/Nautilus/something always
> > >
> > > The only problem is that Mozzie and Naut are very slow to start up, the
> > > last thing I want when I need help.
> >
> > Maybe if Nautilus is already running it would work, or maybe someone
> > will write a g-h-b replacement eventually. Anyway g-h-b basically
> > doesn't work.
> >
>
> I agree that a more lightweight help browser, along the lines of the
> GIMP's, would be valuable.
>
> In addition to the speed question, one of the things that usability
> research suggests[1] is that the help file displayer should be small
> enough that it doesn't obscure the gui of the app you're trying to get
> help with.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> [1] I know I read this somewhere :-)
> --
> John Fleck
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:57:02 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] GNOME user environment brainstorming
> <3B0E549A 11249D60 ireland sun com> <990798279 19264 9 camel kara>
>
> Bastien Nocera wrote:
>
> > Windows uses "Execute...", not "Start".
>
> For that specific feature, yes, you're quite right... I was just
> referring to the fact that M$ spent who-knows-how-much money on a whole
> advertising campaign that revolved around the "Start" button!
>
> > Execute is a fine wording for it, because it's exactly what it does.
>
> It does, if you know what "execute" means. However, some people
> (especially women, at the risk of sounding sexist!) have been shown to
> be really uncomfortable with these sorts of words that carry other
> aggressive connotations-- "execute", "abort", "kill" etc., which are all
> in common usage, especially on *NIX systems. It would be nice if we
> could find some nicer, cuddlier, fluffier words instead so we didn't
> alienate half our potential audience before we started :o)
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:59:57 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> To: John Fleck <jfleck inkstain net>
> CC: nautilus-list lists eazel com
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> John Fleck wrote:
>
> > In addition to the speed question, one of the things that usability
> > research suggests[1] is that the help file displayer should be small
> > enough that it doesn't obscure the gui of the app you're trying to get
> > help with.
>
> Which is why "a book" is still my favourite help system by a very long
> way :o)
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:05:07 +0100
> From: Calum Benson <calum benson ireland sun com>
> Organization: Sun Microsystems
> CC: nautilus-list eazel com, gnome-love gnome org, gnome-2-0-list gnome org
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
>
> John Kodis wrote:
>
> > Requiring a double click might be reasonable if there were some common
> > action bound to a single click.
>
> "Selection"? :o)
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
>
> --
> CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland
> mailto:calum benson ireland sun com Desktop Engineering Group
> http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771
>
> Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems
>
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:15:09 -0700
> From: Darin Adler <darin bentspoon com>
> format=flowed;
> charset=us-ascii
> Cc: nautilus-list eazel com
> To: Jonas De Vuyst <jonas devuyst advalvas be>
> Subject: [Nautilus-list] bugzilla down? (was Re: Anonymous files)
>
> On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 06:14 AM, Jonas De Vuyst wrote:
>
> > PS: I noticed that Bugzilla is down, is there a move to the Gnome Bugzilla
> > perhaps?
>
> As I said in my transition message a few weeks ago, I'd love to move to
> the Gnome Bugzilla some time soon. But the Eazel Bugzilla is not down. I
> just looked, and it's working fine.
>
> -- Darin
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:22:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nautilus-list] Re: GNOME user environment brainstorming
> From: John Sullivan <sullivan spies com>
> To: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>, John Kodis <kodis jagunet com>
> CC: <nautilus-list eazel com>, <gnome-love gnome org>,
> <gnome-2-0-list gnome org>
>
> on 5/24/01 8:31 PM, Havoc Pennington at hp redhat com wrote:
>
> >
> > John Kodis <kodis jagunet com> writes:
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:48:04PM -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> >>
> >>> There's some possible confusion about shortcut buttons on panel vs. on
> >>> desktop, especially since panel icons require single-click, desktop
> >>> double-click.
> >>
> >> It's already possible to configure Nautilus to activate desktop icons
> >> on a single click. I much prefer this because of its simplicity and
> >> because of its consistancy with panel icons, menu items, hyperlinks,
> >> and most everything else.
> >>
> >> Requiring a double click might be reasonable if there were some common
> >> action bound to a single click. Lacking that, however, this default
> >> seems poorly choosen.
> >>
> >
> > The rationale for double is presumably that you can select
> > icons. e.g. I can select an icon, then shift-select others and perform
> > some operation on them. Or I can select then hit the shortcut for
> > Rename. etc.
> >
> > Havoc
>
> Exactly, single-click does have a common action -- selection. It's probably
> the case that activating an icon is the most common action by far, but
> without selection you can't do any of the other icon-based tasks (rename,
> show properties, move to trash, cut/copy, etc.).
>
> You can also select icons with rubberband-selection (drag a box around
> them), but this is much less discoverable.
>
> You can also do (at least most of) these icon-based tasks with the
> right-click menu, but not everybody knows about the right-click menu, as
> there is no visual cue that it exists.
>
> Nautilus originally had single-click to activate as the default. Then we did
> user testing with some non-GNOME users, and asked them to rename a file. It
> was a disaster, mostly due to the single-click activation. So we changed the
> default to double-click to activate.
>
> John
>
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