Re: mc Digest, Vol 87, Issue 15

[chris glur <crglur gmail com>]

If you KNOW  the difference between 'change' and 'modify' then TELL,
instead of just pointing to the great-books-of wisdom.

I'd like to castrate the 'date/time-people' of linux.
When ever I want to reset the RTC, I have to use BIOS or DOS.
Liinux wants me to first analyse what Julius Ceasar had for breakfast!
BTW how's the battery consumption on the ARM  net-book?

== Chris Glur.

Perhaps: the name 'changed' vs. the contents 'modified'

Contents-changed is IMO the most usefull sort order,
which corresponds to a stak-VM,
which corresponds to the natural way of working by task-decomposing,
which is the natural/best way to do tasks in real life.


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>    1. Quitting by closing xterm window (Dario Niedermann)
>    2. What is the difference between "Change time" and "Modify
>       time"? (Theodore Kilgore)
>    3. Re: Quitting by closing xterm window (Eric Gillespie)
>    4. Re: What is the difference between "Change time" and "Modify
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> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:51:47 +0200
> From: Dario Niedermann <dnied tiscali it>
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> Subject: Quitting by closing xterm window
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> Will mc exit cleanly if I close the terminal window where it is running,
> or do I have to press the old F10 ?
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> TIA...
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> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:10:41 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Theodore Kilgore <kilgota banach math auburn edu>
> To: mc gnome org
> Subject: What is the difference between "Change time" and "Modify
>       time"?
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> The question in the header refers, of course, to the options found under
> "Sort Order." Frankly, I can not tell the difference between the meanings
> of these two options -- unless perhaps I would take a deep dive into the
> source code. The man page does not seem to provide enlightenment on this
> point, either.
>
> I have found out that the two options can sometimes act slightly
> differently, perhaps depending on distro or hardware, or something even
> more mysterious.
>
> The usual occasion on which I would wish to sort files by date instead of
> by name occurs when I would connect to some repository and I want to get
> the most recent files in a certain directory. I have always used "modify
> time" to do the sorting, and it worked perfectly. But recently I tried to
> do this using an ARM netbook. The "modify time" then produced no change in
> the listing order of the files at all. But when I tried "change time"
> instead, I got the desired results. Now, as well as being built on ARM
> architecture, the netbook is also running a different distro from the rest
> of my machines. Thus, the important factor might possibly be the
> configuration of the distro, or it could be due to some quirk of the ARM
> architecture.
>
> However, I still can not tell what the difference between "Modify time"
> and "Change time" was supposed to be in the first place, nor, for that
> matter, why both of these are separately listed as options when their
> names seem to mean the same thing with synonymous words. It seems to me to
> be something which is either redundant or confusing, or possibly both.
> Therefore, I thought it might be good to ask.
>
> Theodore Kilgore
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:27:35 +1200
> From: Eric Gillespie <brickviking gmail com>
> To: mc gnome org
> Subject: Re: Quitting by closing xterm window
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> On 31 July 2011 04:51, Dario Niedermann <dnied tiscali it> wrote:
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> > Will mc exit cleanly if I close the terminal window where it is running,
> > or do I have to press the old F10 ?
> It's probably better to hit F10, as that lets mc do whatever tidying up it
> needs to do first, unlike closing the xterm, which immediately terminates
> mc. That's merely my opinion.
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> Regards, Dr Smokey.
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> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:05:14 +0400
> From: Andrew Borodin <aborodin vmail ru>
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> Subject: Re: What is the difference between "Change time" and "Modify
>       time"?
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> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Theodore Kilgore wrote:
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> To answer your question, please read the stat(2) man page and find
> description of change time (ctime) and modify time (mtime)
>
> Probably, the built-in help should be more verbose about sort orders.
>
> --
> Andrew
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