Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
- From: Willie Walker <walker willie gmail com>
- To: Sanne te Meerman <sanne opensourceadvies nl>
- Cc: guadec-papers gnome org, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org>, peter Korn <Peter Korn Oracle COM>, GNOME Marketing List <marketing-list gnome org>, javier tiflolinux org
- Subject: Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:13:38 -0400
Hi Sanne:
Javier's e-mail is the only contact I have. :-( He may be in the process of moving, but I'm not sure. I'm CC'ing Peter Korn, however. He may have some contacts that you can use.
Will
On Mar 30, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Sanne te Meerman wrote:
> Hi Willie,
>
> Besides a practical comment from Andre Klapper, you were the only one who responded to my request for a talk about accessibility. I've tried to contact Javier Martinez, but so far I have not received a reply. Could you connect us? I'm still very much interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Sanne
>>
>> Sanne te Meerman schreef:
>>> Wow, that's really great... the fact that a local organisation gets involved with software development from the bottom up is fantastic, but this is also great for marketing Open Source, a showcase for the added value of open source development. And for Gnome and Guadec this could also be very valuable. Thank you. Javier, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear more.
>>>
>>> Sanne
>>>
>>> Willie Walker schreef:
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> The ONCE organization in Spain does a fair amount with GNOME and GNOME accessibility. I'm CC'ing Javier Martinez on this e-mail -- he's my primary contact with ONCE.
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> Sanne te Meerman wrote:
>>>>> I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector.
>>>>> I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Stormy Peters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
>>>>>> > think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector
>>>>> markets in Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also,
>>>>> as government sector users of GNOME.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chers,
>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stormy Peters schreef:
>>>>>> I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stormy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman <sanne opensourceadvies nl <mailto:sanne opensourceadvies nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about
>>>>>> Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is
>>>>>> experienced in this subject?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you,
>>>>>> Sanne te Meerman
>>>>>> Guadec organisation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanne te Meerman schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being
>>>>>> off-topic, I've made a subthread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation.
>>>>>> I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec
>>>>>> (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on
>>>>>> accessibility and usability can draw attention for several
>>>>>> reasons, in my opinion:
>>>>>> -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important.
>>>>>> Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with
>>>>>> policymakers (more than technique)
>>>>>> -Government is more inclined to have attention to these
>>>>>> subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention
>>>>>> and pressure to these issues.
>>>>>> -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best
>>>>>> way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people.
>>>>>> The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to
>>>>>> more traditional ICT companies in this niche market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might be good to have some sessions about usability and
>>>>>> accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other
>>>>>> suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and
>>>>>> targeting the government market, that someone can point me to.
>>>>>> That would be helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you,
>>>>>> Sanne te Meerman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Cameron schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Willie/Dave:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of
>>>>>> accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would
>>>>>> be nice to
>>>>>> highlight something about the GNOME accessibility
>>>>>> community. Perhaps
>>>>>> something about the fact that a number of people with
>>>>>> disabilities
>>>>>> participate in development and in user forums. I think
>>>>>> the promise of
>>>>>> joining a community of people working to address
>>>>>> accessibility usability
>>>>>> issues is attractive to highlight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised
>>>>>> hardware to interact with applications" portion seems
>>>>>> odd to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In GNOME, we have a core value that people with
>>>>>> disabilities have free compelling access to the
>>>>>> graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this
>>>>>> with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry
>>>>>> leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by
>>>>>> built-in assistive technologies including a screen
>>>>>> reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard. With a
>>>>>> model of "built in" versus "bolted on", GNOME not
>>>>>> only has free compelling accessibility today, but it
>>>>>> also provides a
>>>>>> rich and stable base for future accessibility work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by
>>>>>> people with disabilities" to the first sentence):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is
>>>>>> a core value that touches all aspects of the system.
>>>>>> With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", the
>>>>>> GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead the
>>>>>> industry in accessible design. From the
>>>>>> infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the
>>>>>> applications, to the assistive technologies,
>>>>>> accessibility has been a central consideration from
>>>>>> the very early days. As a result, GNOME not only has
>>>>>> compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a
>>>>>> rich and stable base for future accessibility work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shorter would be better, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about this (pure edit, no additions):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In GNOME, making sure that people with
>>>>>> disabilities can use our software
>>>>>> is a core value. From infrastructure allowing our
>>>>>> built-in screen reader
>>>>>> or specialised hardware to interact with
>>>>>> applications to utilities to
>>>>>> make it easier for people with motor problems to
>>>>>> interact with a
>>>>>> computer, accessibility in GNOME is built-in, not
>>>>>> bolted on. As a result
>>>>>> GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today,
>>>>>> it also provides a
>>>>>> rich foundation for the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that read? Covers all the bases, I think
>>>>>> - a11y is a core
>>>>>> value, what does accessibility mean, and how do we
>>>>>> make things easier
>>>>>> for people with disabilities. Maybe needs a quick
>>>>>> fact check on the
>>>>>> second sentence (it is at-spi that lets Orca do
>>>>>> its thang, isn't it?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Willie Walker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a bunch of run-ons... :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In GNOME, accessibility by people with
>>>>>> disabilities is a core value that
>>>>>> touches all aspects of the system. With a
>>>>>> model of "built in" versus
>>>>>> "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project
>>>>>> has helped lead the
>>>>>> industry in accessible design. From the
>>>>>> accessibility infrastructure, to
>>>>>> the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to
>>>>>> the assistive
>>>>>> technologies, accessibility has been a central
>>>>>> consideration from the
>>>>>> very early days of GNOME. As a result, GNOME
>>>>>> not only has compelling
>>>>>> accessibility today, but it also provides a
>>>>>> rich and stable base for
>>>>>> future accessibility work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, users have built-in keyboard
>>>>>> navigation, highly customizable
>>>>>> fonts/colors/icons, keyboard enhancements such
>>>>>> as StickyKeys, the
>>>>>> MouseTweaks tool that provides mouse clicking
>>>>>> features by dwelling, the
>>>>>> GOK on screen keyboard that can be driven via
>>>>>> dwell clicking and
>>>>>> switches, the Dasher predictive text entry
>>>>>> tool, and the Orca screen
>>>>>> reader and magnifier. Developers also have the
>>>>>> glade-3 tool that helps
>>>>>> encourage accessible user interface design and
>>>>>> the accerciser tool that
>>>>>> helps developers analyze how their application
>>>>>> is exposed to the
>>>>>> built-in accessibility infrastructure. For
>>>>>> tomorrow, the GNOME project
>>>>>> is busily working on enhancing the on screen
>>>>>> keyboard and magnifier,
>>>>>> developing ways to use web cameras to move the
>>>>>> mouse based upon
>>>>>> head/body position, and making the solution
>>>>>> much more friendly to
>>>>>> resource constrained devices such as netbooks
>>>>>> and the OLPC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we add a sentence or two about what
>>>>>> accessibility is or give some
>>>>>> examples of the technology?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stormy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Willie Walker
>>>>>> <William Walker sun com
>>>>>> <mailto:William Walker sun com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a quick snippet I might propose:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In GNOME, accessibility is a core
>>>>>> value that touches all aspects of
>>>>>> the system. With a model of "built in"
>>>>>> versus "bolted on", the GNOME
>>>>>> Accessibility project has helped lead
>>>>>> the industry in accessible
>>>>>> design. From the infrastructure, to
>>>>>> the graphical toolkit, to the
>>>>>> applications, to the assistive
>>>>>> technologies, accessibility has been a
>>>>>> central consideration from the very
>>>>>> early days. As a result, GNOME
>>>>>> not only has compelling accessibility
>>>>>> today, but it also provides a
>>>>>> rich and stable base for future
>>>>>> accessibility work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Stormy
>>>>>> Peters wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Cutler and Denise Walters
>>>>>> were working on that part so
>>>>>> hopefully one of them will chime in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It'd probably be good to ask the
>>>>>> a11y team for a short summary to
>>>>>> put there though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stormy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:34 PM,
>>>>>> Ben Konrath <ben bagu org
>>>>>> <mailto:ben bagu org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:03
>>>>>> PM, Stormy Peters
>>>>>> <stormy gnome org
>>>>>> <mailto:stormy gnome org>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Accessibility:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [photgraph of user
>>>>>> interacting with A11Y tools]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a reason why there
>>>>>> is no text for this section?
>>>>>> Did you guys
>>>>>> not have time to write
>>>>>> something up during the
>>>>>> meeting or was it
>>>>>> lost
>>>>>> in a cut 'n paste? :-) I'm
>>>>>> really just wondering what's
>>>>>> up just so I
>>>>>> know if this is something the
>>>>>> a11y team needs to write up if
>>>>>> we go
>>>>>> ahead with the Braille handouts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Dave Neary
>>>>>> GNOME Foundation member
>>>>>> dneary gnome org <mailto:dneary gnome org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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