An attempt to get conclusions from this interesting discussion. 1. DIFFERENT LAYERS AND GOALS - All the discussion refers to content located at www.gnome.org EXCEPT the wgo/project/* subsites that we are not going to touch at all in this release (and might or might not become projects.gnome.org). We are not talking either in this thread about touching livego, librarygo, developergo... Just to make it clear: we are not dealing in the current release with the projects subsites i.e. http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ We can link to these project subsites and other relevant resources across *.gnome.org, but that's all by now. - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap refers *only* to the development of one list of links to official GNOME product pages. This is the core mission of this goal. - The discussion product pages themselves belong to a different goal: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ProjectsPages . It is still unassigned, someone wants to take it to make sure the sauce of the discussion is not lost and heads to a real implementation? A project page would be literally a single page (not a small website or something) managed primarily by the marketing team. A product page should have great information and marketing about a product (produced jointly with the developers, but I think it is our responsibility to assure their quality and update), plus all the relevant links links to know/do more about that product in the GNOME subsites. If a product has official website we link it. If it hasn't got one, at least the product will have now an official page (i.e. Pessulus). The product pages should be as translated as any other page at wgo. - The discussion about where this list fits in wgo, if user Joe is interested or not, belong to other goals: Define the content and scope of www.gnome.org and http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure (both assigned to Joachim Noreiko. Also the idea of offering other sublists i.e. embedded, desktop, etc belong to these goals and doesn't affect that fact that we need a one and only official list somewhere (and it doesn't need to be in the homepage or where user Joe will click first). 2. "GNOME PRODUCTS": NOT A SOFTWARE MAP "Software map" is a wrong term. "GNOME products" is the best definition I've seen so far, although I feel that something is still missing. Let's use this term while we don't find anything better. "GNOME applications" has two problems: 1. maybe we want to list pieces or collections of software that are not strictly applications and the nerds will tell us we suck; 2. 'applications' is a non-familiar term for most regular users (they talk about 'software' or 'programs') and they will tell us we suck. In fact "GNOME software" is perhaps a good term to define the "official" products, specially when opposed to the broader "Software for GNOME", which can be found at gnomefiles.org. 3. A LIST OF "OFFICIAL" GNOME SOFTWARE wgo needs to explain the software that "makes" GNOME. We have at least two clear categories here: the components of the desktop (the ones shipped in the last release) and the applications (more complex to define, but we will take a pragmatic approach). There are two reasons to have this list: information (this is the list of GNOME products, GNOME says) and marketing (this is the software that makes GNOME great and GNOME explains why). We can't delegate GNOME information and marketing to third parties. I would even say that the marketing team can't leave this mission to the projects alone, or the release team, or... Developers can be great producing cool software, but it doesn't necessarily imply they are good at providing information and marketing about the software they produce. This list doesn't aim to compete with gnomefiles.org at all. Instead, we should collaborate together. Eugenia has been <del>adapting</del> improving gnomefiles.org to offer a friendly gateway to wgo. We should build our side from this gateway in the list(s) we create. The maximum number of products listed is probably the number of products with bugtracker in bugzilla.gnome.org, and I'm sure we could find other filters to make the list decrease (increasing the average quality of the products listed). In http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap there are currently 27 products listed. If you think there is a product missing add it now. 4. NOT THE ONLY LIST TO ACCESS THE PRODUCT PAGES The tresor are the product pages, not this official list of GNOME products. This official list will satisfy only some user profiles in some use cases. Jeff and Claus' concerns about other user profiles and other use cases can be solved, as Jeff suggested, having other pages focused in one aspect and offering their own list/gateway to selected product pages. The fact that Simon Rozet is working on the official list doesn't imply we can't have more. ----- There has been some discussion about more specific and technical details. I'm leaving them out now to ease a common agreement on these conclusions. Once they are agreed and the goals/layers are clear, then each goal coordinator can lead the discussion about the details affecting his goal. This way we avoid mixing discussions and hopefully we will get to simple, easier and faster agreements. Also note that this discussion is almost useless if nobody takes on the production of product pages: * First bunch of applications featured (goal still unassigned). -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org
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