[HIG] RE: [Usability]shouldn't action-area-border of GtkDialogs be 6 by default?

See this bug:
and other similar bugs from the links here:

The GTK+ developers have not declared a decision, but I suspect that they
will refuse this. I think we should maybe add a HIG_DEFAULT feature to
Glade, the .glade XML format, and libglade. And Glade should use this by

Murray Cumming
murrayc usa net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Neumair [mailto:chris gnome-de org] 
> Sent: Donnerstag, 10. April 2003 20:06
> To: gtk-list gnome org; hig gnome org; usability gnome org
> Subject: [Usability]shouldn't action-area-border of 
> GtkDialogs be 6 by default?
> Hi there!
> I suppose and even hope this proposal will lead to some controversial
> debates. As you may know we need such debates to push GTK+/GNOME
> forward. Here it comes:
> The HIG suggests to use multiples of 6 for spacing inside alerts [1].
> Having a border of 5 requires us to use ugly odd numbers for aligning
> the inner widgets (action area and other elements the dialog's vbox
> contains) correctly which means according to the HIG. To get 
> a border of
> 12 around and between the action area and any other widget 
> placed in the
> dialog's vbox without having to change code (aka use glade to 
> create the
> dialogs which is mostly used to build GNOME applications), we 
> would have
> to set the window's border to 7, the above widget's border to 
> 5 and add
> a spacing of 2 px to the dialog's vbox. An alternative would be to
> change code: You could just change the aarea's border to 6 but doing
> that for each dialog is very hackish and definitly not a 
> clean solution.
> What the HIG says should be the default behaviour, and even if some
> people may proclaim that HIG and GTK+ don't have anything to do with
> each other, the HIGs suggestions and GTK's behaviour should match by
> default.
> I know that changing such a fundamental behaviour will at 
> first lead to
> many "destroyed" (aka mislayouted) dialogs but in the 
> long-term it will
> hopefully prettify and higify standard GTK+ dialogs.
> regs,
>  Chris
> [1] 
> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/windows.html#a

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