Here we go: qgil: 21:00 qgil: (music of news headlines in the background) ;) bolsh: hola qgil: welcome to the GUADEC weekly meeting here every Monday at 20h UTC (21h Vilanova time) qgil: just to know, who is prepared to participate? qgil: ping sent to Devin, behdad, bolsh, glasseyes, halfline, Puaff, vuntz, zwnj no need to respond if you will lurk, you donpt need to answer if you're not here at the moment ;) qgil: Points to dicuss are - Brochure - Budget - Tend/Marquee for the main conference room - Accomodation - Logo and theme contest - ...? qgil: any preference to start with, something you wish to add? qgil: (meeting alone is quite boring so... you better say hi) :) qgil: bolsh: about sponsorship levels, did you see my email this morning? qgil: what do you think about the names of the packages and the amounts? zwnj: qgil: hi, i'm not sure if i can help much, but i'm around :) qgil: zwnj: anyone can help - just say what you feel you want to say (we'll filter) ;) qgil: ok, in fact my only serious doubt is to set the Gold package to 10.000€ or 15.000€ bolsh: qgil: No, didn't notice it qgil: I'll resend it now... bolsh: qgil: I don't see it. Was it private? If not, I'll look in the archives qgil: Re: Sponsorship levels (was Re: [guadec-list] Brochure design settled - need content work) qgil: sent to guadec.lis qgil: at 09:57 qgil: resent now to free.fr behdad: hey. the log contest first? :-D bolsh: Are you sure you sent it? It's not in the archives bolsh: Hi behdad behdad: s/log/logo/ bolsh: What is it with Iranians and the logo contest? :) behdad: bolsh: heh, behnam 'zwnj', my brother, is the #1 contender :) bolsh: :) behdad: but I'm not sure why fa and elnaz made so much buzz qgil: but there is nothing we can discuss about this :) behdad: heh, it was in the agenda, I thought you have the votes :-D qgil: behdad: I see the same you can see, so open/closed is the process behdad: seems like guadec week is totally synced on Iranian final exams btw. ***qgil wishes one day a big GNOME event happens in Tehran behdad: heh. qgil: would be so healthy for all of us... ***behdad secretly thinks about that every year... qgil: one day I'll ecplain you my 30' with my feet in Iranian territory, but now let's go ahead with the weekly meeting :9 qgil: so about the contest (while bolsh reads sponsorship email) qgil: the plan is to stay awake tonight until 23.59 UTC qgil: pick he community vote and introduce it manually to the jury's ballot qgil: open the jury's abllot (now closed even for my eyes) and see what's in there qgil: we have currently 31 votes in the community (or whatever) ballot: http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=guadeclogo qgil: and 5 of the 7 humans of the jury have voted by now http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=pubguadec#Round1 qgil: all this is enough to get a valid winner, I guess behdad: cool. qgil: I have no idea if the ballot of the jury is so tight as the community's - which could deserve a prime time documentary ;) qgil: any question? bolsh: Sorry - I was putting Thomas back to bed qgil: Thomas Wood? ;) behdad: one should do a GNOME Journal report on the logo process :) behdad: :) bolsh: qgil: No - that's for later ;) qgil: he he qgil: also about the contest qgil: the guadec committee has pre-decided to give the web theme prize to tavon since he has put a lot of effort in his work and he is ready to collaborate bolsh: Hm bolsh: Currently, 112 is winning on transfers from 108 bolsh: Interesting qgil: this example run-off system is being great to see the difference with a conventional election of one person - one vote to one candidate bolsh: I'm easy with the 10 or 15 thousand level bolsh: In any case, once you get to that level of money, t's all in the human touch ;) qgil: this is why I think we can put 15 fsmw [~Fernando 113-154-144 adsl cust tie cl] ha entrat a la sala. fsmw ha sortit de la sala (quit: Ex-Chat). qgil: hombreeeee fsmw [~Fernando 113-154-144 adsl cust tie cl] ha entrat a la sala. qgil: Fernando is around hurray hurray!!! :) behdad: bolsh: any plan to propose a referendum to make foundation board elections to the run-off system? qgil: do we need referendum for this? behdad: donno. fsmw: hi folks behdad: hi fsmw: is me qgil: Fernando, will you be able to vote as jury member before the deadline tonight? fsmw: yes, how? behdad: sorry guys, got to run before banks close... ***fsmw have to much emails in the inbox qgil: I'm going to forward you the mail with instructions fsmw: cool qgil: behdad: thanks for being here qgil: think about the tehran event behdad: qgil: thank *you* for all the hard work. qgil: we really need things like this behdad: will do. qgil: I keep thinking while seeing the news these days (oh my, I'm a mid.East lover!!!) bolsh: behdad: Someone else proposed it already bolsh: But it fell on only mildly interested ears bolsh: qgil: And here I thought you were a Latin lover qgil: that was my next phase qgil: but before I came to learn arab writing, some arab words, and then you end up knowing more about Iran qgil: and why not even the arabs dared to have trouble with them fsmw: qgil, do you need something else by now?, i got my elder daughter sick at the clinic, infected with a viru qgil: fsmw: then just forget the contest qgil: really qgil: it's just an anecdote fsmw: ok qgil: Dave can vote on behalf you, for instance qgil: or nobody qgil: the community vote will have more % weight fsmw: i didn't sleep well last four days qgil: reallym this is not problematic fsmw: thanks fsmw: is there some decisions about registration? fsmw: payment methods and something? qgil: I want to talk to you about this qgil: but only when you have sleeped well and you have your taughter fit ;9 qgil: so qgil: contest done, sponsorship comes next qgil: ok to 15.000 then qgil: about he names, are they ok fsmw: ok, i'll talk to the medic later, i guess that she will be in the clinic all this week bolsh: OK to 15 bolsh: I have a lead on $5K, but I'm not holding my breath qgil: fsmw: take care and do not worry about GUADEC/GNOME whatever behind your screen monitor bolsh: We need to seriously get a team trucking towards sponsorship here bolsh: The document is useful, but not essential to getting started with big companies fsmw: qgil, anyway i'm at work now qgil: bolsh: we need to define who is part of this team jordim: I swear I just got a spam about "Vilanova's Carnival" jordim: hello bolsh: qgil: Indeed qgil: hi jordim, I got that too! bolsh: Right now it's just me, more or less qgil: and me jordim: qgil: I just forwarded it to you, just in case you hadn't seen it :) bolsh: Jeff's about too, but I really don't know what he's at, and I'm not on IRC much these daysd qgil: bolsh: I see Jeff is not only quite busy but also he is wearing Canonicals hat for GUADEC stuff qgil: more to be said about this once I talk to him, wearing myself the GUADEC coordinator's hat qgil: i just got an email from him today, and another one from Jane Silber from Canonical last week qgil: just to let you know bolsh: OK bolsh: About what? qgil: I collaborate with Canonical for Spanish related stuff since... almost the beginning of Ubuntu, I know this channel bolsh: I know qgil: about the sponsorship team bolsh: OK - I guess someone needs to fill me in, because I'm lost bolsh: You're collaborating with Jeff on sponsorship, but Jeff's wearing his canonical hat? bolsh: So Canonical are going to sponsor? qgil: bolsh: by now it is something I can't talk in a chat room, sorry qgil: I guess the rest understand as well bolsh: I understand bolsh: I miss not having a confidential channel where we can talk freely about this kind of thing qgil: guadec.planning is supposed to do that qgil: I will do some cleaning, though qgil: there is many people that haven't said anything since I'm subscribed there Puaff: hi, good night all qgil: and they are stopping me to discuss stuff like this there ldng [~ldng 37 Red-83-50-196 dynamicIP rima-tde net] ha entrat a la sala. ldng: hi ldng: sorry for missing the meeting, I was commuting had to stay late at work ldng: anything of interest for the brochure has being discussed ? bolsh: ldng: We agreed it's crap, and you'll have to start again qgil: hi ldng, we were discussing the sponsorship levels bolsh: Only joking! bolsh: No, really qgil: ldng: I hope you understand the French sense of humour ;) ldng: Indeed qgil: bolsh: this reminds a question I always have for you when I don't have a keyboard around bolsh: Go ahead qgil: are you burn in France? is Neary a French surname? qgil: born bolsh: qgil: No - Irish bolsh: Funny you should ask, since we've spoken on the phone and in person qgil: and? qgil: :) bolsh: Well, I don't have a French accent, for a start qgil: "Neary" could be some aristocratic French surname, isn't it? bolsh: Could be, isn'ty bolsh: So - budget? qgil: I thought it could be possible to be French and speak English wit no French accent but I see it's an utopia now ldng: qgil, so what did come out of the sponsorship level discution ? qgil: ok to three levels qgil: 25 15 5 bolsh: ldng: $5, $15, $25 qgil: €€€€€€€€€€€ bolsh: Oh? bolsh: €? ldng: so I revert to $ ? ldng: ok qgil: GUAD€C qgil: (now I found the best logo!!) ldng: € ? qgil: I think an European event should have prices in euros qgil: isn0t this the normal thing to do? ldng: I agree ldng: so bolsh: qgil: The dollar is the international unit of currency, and we tended to do that before (since most of our sponsors are in the US) ldng: which currency pleeeaaassee bolsh: But euros is OK too bolsh: ldng: Euros bolsh: EOF qgil: ok qgil: names qgil: cornerstone, gold, silver Puaff: qgil, please what is the meaning of cornerstone in spanish? qgil: Puaff: this is a good question qgil: it's an exclusive sponsor - there is just one cornerstone sponsor ldng: Rinconpieda, facil Puaff: ok, thx ldng: :p qgil: Esquina de Piedra is just not that cool ldng: lo se Puaff: lol qgil: we'll need to find a trabslation such as Patrocinador Exclusivo for that qgil: but then again, I donpt think we get this one from Spain Puaff: I see, thx :) qgil: agreed the gold and silver? bolsh: Can we talk a bit about budget? qgil: we need to discuss the most important; what we offer to each package qgil: I see very few differences by now ldng: well, it rather Patrocinador Endispensable, diria yo bolsh: Passes for the company ldng: mas bien ldng: tal vez, no ? qgil: ldng: ok ldng: bolsh, oui ? bolsh: $5K = 1 pass, $15K = 4 passes, $25K = 10 passes qgil: well qgil: wel..... qgil: the difference should be elsewhere qgil: when they are paying these amounts bolsh: Yes - there are other differences bolsh: $10K = bigger logo on website and in ads bolsh: $25K = banner in conference hall during keynotes qgil: what are our advertisement "surfaces"? bolsh: Sorry - €15K bolsh: and €25K qgil: the halls qgil: the bags bolsh: qgil: The sides of the lecture hall for the keynotes, in front of the speaker stand, above the door on the way into/out of the hall qgil: the website qgil: the program bolsh: The bags, too, of course bolsh: And the program needs some adv ertising this year qgil: the social events qgil: raffles à la Nokia llast year qgil: what else? bolsh: qgil: Generally, the social events (in professional conferences) are opportunities - for example, a sponsor at €25K has the right to organise a social occasion, at his expense, in exchange for his sponsorship qgil: what about letting them have a stand in the entrance hall? ldng: yeah, we need to do that, raffle, popular it is ! qgil: if they want to? bolsh: Speaker slots bolsh: I don't like that though ldng: why ? ldng: I think it's something pretty common qgil: speaker slots? I donpt like them bolsh: Allowing people to buy speaker slots is just pure whoring, and it lowers our editorial control of the conference qgil: I think our sponsors have anyway interesting things to explain ***ldng want to see futur Novell Desktop presented by Nat :p qgil: bolsh: agreed, I would invite them to submit call for papers qgil: they ahve for sure interesting stuff to present bolsh: You end up having a panel on "big deployments" woth 4 sponsors talking to 3 schmucks who didn't read the schedule right qgil: and they can go through the same editorial process as the others qgil: hey hey bolsh: qgil: That's not how it happens, though, and you'll find that out when we go to IBM ldng: Yes but until now, they've been pretty much respectful concerning the quality of their speaking slot or not ? bolsh: Sorry - I got carried away :) bolsh: ldng: We've had trouble in previous GUADECs going out on a squeak, because of (in part) sponsor bought speaker slots qgil: what will happen when we goto IB? qgil: M bolsh: qgil: They will ask for a speaker slot in exchange for €15K bolsh: And if you say no, they will say no qgil: I think it's just a problem of wording qgil: when they say this we respond; qgil: of course, done! please submit the talk you want to have at ldng: bolsh, but can we manage to get them to fit in the tracks ? qgil: http://...../calforpapers bolsh: qgil: Naughty :) ldng: we can always ask anyway qgil: or http://..../sponsorslots qgil: (which is a redrect to the same page) :P bolsh: ldng: Compromise is for the weak :) bolsh: We don't need their stinkin' money bolsh: They can come on our terms, or not at all bolsh: (OK, I'm taking a hard line, but I mean it) qgil: well ok, the sponsors' haunters will deal with this problem if it arises qgil: I would not put it in the brochure, nor in any printed material ldng: so if you know they will act as this, we can try to avoid them simple qgil: I keeo thinking that IBM has something interesting to explain in GUADEC anyway bolsh: ldng: I don't think we should avoid them bolsh: We should ask them, and explain what we're aiming for bolsh: But it's not likely to work bolsh: qgil: Of course they do bolsh: I don't know what, but they must have. bolsh: So - budget qgil: we'll give'em the opportunity to tell us ldng: that is why I prefered to have more package because as this, if you get say 5 or 10 little sponsor you can say to the big one, that would be great that you sponsor us, but we don't really need you qgil: budget bolsh: What will we be spending money on? How much do we need? bolsh: That will dictate to some extent how much we get qgil: lets see what is not going to cost money bolsh: Quim, what's the status on your expenses right now? Are you ready to start submitting expense requests to the board? qgil: Iwill deliver a proper budget this week at least concerning my own expenses qgil: they are related to my visits to BCN/Vlanova, and yesterday I got a calendar to propose to the locals qgil: apart from me ldng: qgil, I haven't check yet but do I have editing right on guadec site ? qgil: we have travel & expenses of some people qgil: ldng: which user are you using? ldng: qgil, ldanigo qgil: we need to define how many people are we going to sponsor at least qgil: then we could increase depending on the success in sponsorship ldng: qgil, did you find time to discuss the map copyright problem with our vilanova contact or not yet ? qgil: no, because I owe some answer to Vilanova and will send them all at the same time ldng: ok qgil: ldng: you're editor now qgil: sponsoring people ldng: qgil, ok thanks qgil: we have organisation / speakers and participants qgil: do we have any reference of previous years? bolsh: qgil: OK, great news ldng: on the sidebar of sponsorship page I put a little blurb aying we can be contacted for sponsorship bolsh: What we did last year, which worked well, was that we put a provision, $10K, aside before the conference ldng: maybe it could be rewritten better bolsh: That was seed money, to allow Tim to start buying tickets for people earlier bolsh: Rather than paying more money buying them at the last minute qgil: bolsh: this is cool, yes qgil: also, we have got a price to hire the whole youth hostel for that week, qgil: and we will have a price for having the whole students' appartments ldng: And I just thought that we could put a sponsorship link on the main page ldng: I mean in the main menu qgil: ldng: ok bolsh: I do not have the details from previous years on how many people we brought to GUADEC, only how much money we spent qgil: main menu? well, we'll see qgil: money is what matters ldng: to a page that have the Brochure, as this we do a kind of "passive search" qgil: I mean, people is what matters qgil: but to do budgets, money matters more :) ldng: it's balance ldng: ;) qgil: I think the budget should includo those 10k for travel expenses and then we should close accommodation packages qgil: asap qgil: so we get god prices qgil: good bolsh: qgil: Will you be able to come along to the board meeting on Wednesday? qgil: mmm if I need to, yes bolsh: I'm afraid I can't stay much longer, we've run over my timeslot :) qgil: you know, the problem is the family bolsh: It's been a while since we had an update, and I think it would do good qgil: my partner and my dinner is waiting downstairs... :( qgil: ok, I'll be there then bolsh: It would be a good idea to note the 3 or 4 boints where we have not been reactive, and send some info on to the board on that as a preparation qgil: ok bolsh: OK - let's call it a night then. qgil: :) bolsh: Can you send on the cost of the hostel to me, please? For info bolsh: Night all ldng: I to go too ldng: bye qgil: I'll send that info, the problem is about translating ldng: 'night as well ! qgil: but maybe I send the priginal files and just summary translation qgil: and if people have f¡doubts they can ask qgil: so, we finsih the meeting qgil: ? qgil: if other people has more questins ldng: I think so :) qgil: we (I) are in the last minutes ldng: bye qgil: bye ldng ha sortit de la sala (quit: Leaving). qgil: Puaff: questions? qgil: bolsh: thanks for being here this time qgil: 5 qgil: 4 qgil: 3 qgil: 2 qgil: 1 qgil: eof -- Quim Gil - http://desdeamericaconamor.org
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