Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help

[fr33domlover <fr33domlover mailoo org>]

Hello,


On 2014-06-06
Alberto Ruiz <aruiz gnome org> wrote:

> Do you have any idea how many people save hunderds of dollars by
> having GIMP and Inkscape available on Windows?

Why should this matter? Not only money is just green paper and not
actually a useful thing for problem solving, people who want to
contribute don't get any money - it's not the money, theirs or others',
that motivates them anyway.

Do you have any idea how many people waste hunderds of dollars by
using GIMP and Inkscape on Windows?

The reason GTK on Windows is used for these things is that some people
want to please and make profit, more than help promote and spread
freedom and openness, and these people prefer to make you a Window$
version than offer to help you switch to GNU/Linux.

The truth is, nothing is saved by using Inkspace of GIMP, maybe except
for wheel-reinvention. Both the Photoshop developers and free software
developers need to get food to the table, and the money for that food
comes this way or another, directly or indirectly from the end users.

Let's make a beautiful world where we offer to help them switch to
GNU/Linux, instead of serving the greedy pig on a golden plate. It will
even save the extra work of repeatedly making a Window$ version in a
one-sided fashion (or has Micro$oft offered to help?).

What do you think?




-- fr33

> 2014-06-06 20:29 GMT+02:00 C. Thomas Stover <cts thomasstover com>:
>
> > On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:08:24 +0200, Tarnyko wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I
> > > severely lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3
> > > for Win32, for some months now. So I am basically asking for help.
> > >
> > >  I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post :
> > >
> > > http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48
> > >
> > > So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to
> > > answer this thread, or show up on IRC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tarnyko
> >
> > I'm interested in being interested. Are you looking to move on
> > entirely, or are you just looking for additional team members? Of
> > the questions that come to my mind that would be appropriate for
> > the mailing list, the first and most high level is existential in
> > nature. I'm unfamiliar with the back story on why Tor Lillqvist
> > moved on. I myself switched jobs last year, and no longer even have
> > to acknowledge windows even exists. The notion of windows
> > development on windows itself has long died in my eyes. Still, I
> > have interest in maintaining the ability of a number of small
> > projects to cross compile to windows targets. (Either from linux or
> > cygwin hosts).
> >
> > Sincerely I mean not to troll, but I do find myself questioning the
> > validity of cross platform development in the current era. With the
> > seemingly overwhelming forces of fragmented proprietary platforms
> > with lock-in™ based technology winning more and more over to "the
> > dark side", people who are actually interested in open/community
> > based/lower level technology generally just use a linux or a bsd.
> > Like me, the ones out of that group that still have to put up with
> > windows (and even osx), get older and either move on to new
> > positions or gain the seniority to phase out the silliness. So
> > while the intellectual challenge of getting any sort of work done
> > with windows will always be a thrilling pursuit for those of us
> > with a certain type of post traumatic stress disorder, are there
> > enough end users for this?
> >
> > [editors note: I just deleted two paragraphs of
> > even-less-constructive ranting, that can be summarized as an even
> > further off topic grumbling about me not liking OSX and that
> > "other" toolkit.]
> >
> > The pleasure and professorial paths that desktop computing with open
> > source software offer will continue to grow, though as a percentage
> > of all things software development, it will continue to decline.
> > Given that model, it just seems like an indicator of more
> > consolidation for the core user base.
> >
> > There is of course an even more pessimistic school of thought that
> > comes to the conclusion that the self inflicted damage from the
> > last generation of desktop environments will revive 90's era 'doz
> > on the desk and 'nix in the closet/cloud to a point where things
> > like gtk on windows are more important than ever, but I'm not that
> > camp yet. (Too many cool things like i3wm, for that.)
> >
> > C. Thomas Stover
> >
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