RE: Implementing HIG style frames with GtkFrame

[Murray Cumming Comneon com]

> From: Owen Taylor [mailto:otaylor redhat com] 
> > As I say in the bug,
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96374
> > I don't believe a gtk_notebook_new_framless() makes sense, 
> because that's
> > just a gtk_notebook_do_it_like_the_hig(). 
> 
> I assume you mean 'frame'

Yes.

> > We just need to make it possible to be HIG-compliant 
> without too much
> > difficulty. The GtkAlignment API change has made that 
> mostly possible, but
> > we would still like to hide the GtkAlignment from the 
> GtkFrame API. So, I
> > think a gtk_notebook_set_indent() (actually a property) is 
> all we need.
> > 
> > Most of the rest of the HIG-by-default stuff should be 
> dealt with by Glade,
> > I think.
> 
> I've certainly said it elsewhere at some point, but magically making
> all frames HIG-ident boxes when running under GNOME is not 
> right and won't 
> work. The main problem is that the details of the surrounding 
> padding will
> be wrong.

Sure, I'll be happy to discover the hard realities of that when we try to
hack Glade. At the least, I want Glade to show HIG values in the drop downs
where that is appropriate. This won't fix everything, but it should make
some things easier.

I have given up on the notion of changing the defaults in GTK+.

> You can't design a nice looking dialog without having some idea of
> how it's going to look; frames and HIG indents are *different* forms
> of grouping, even if they serve the same logical purpose.
> 
> My understanding of why we added the padding to GtkAlignment was that
> we were going to do HIG indents as simply
> 
>  GtkVBox
>   GtkLabel (set bold) 
>   GtkAlignment (with HIG indent of padding on the left)
>     <children>
> 
> If we were going to add options to GtkFrame or create another 
> container, 
> then the GtkAlignment changes were pointless.

Well, I thought that the GtkAlignment would go inside the GtkFrame

GtkFrame (has a bold label, has no visible border)
  GtkAlignment (with HIG indent of padding on the left)
    Whatever

So I thought that we could put the GtkAlignment in the frame, so I thought
an indent property for Gtk::Frame could hide that implementation. I see no
need for a new container. In truth, I'm not 100% sure how people are
implementing it now though.

Murray Cumming
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