Re: GtkMenu and cursor change
- From: "Sergio A. Kessler" <sak tribctas gba gov ar>
- To: gtk-devel-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: GtkMenu and cursor change
- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:35:17 -0300
Owen Taylor <otaylor redhat com> el día 12 Feb 2001 22:51:35 -0500,
>"Gene Z. Ragan" <gzr ix netcom com> writes:
>> List comrades,
>> Is there a good usability reason that GtkMenu replaces the standard mouse
>> pointer with a slightly larger, mirrored cursor?
>> I realize that GTK has historical roots as a free replacement of Motif
>> this is the way that Motif treated the cursor when the user selected a
>> and moved the mouse over it. Is there a strong usability reason for
>> retaining this feature?
>Actually, GTK+-1.0 didn't have this feature - I added it for GTK+-1.2
>because I noticed Netscape doing it and thought it was sort of neat.
>As I recall now, the points that appealed to me were:
> - Doesn't obscure the menu items
windows, mac are doing fine (better?) without this...
> - Informs the user that they are in "menu selection mode" - since
> the behavior while selecting a menu is quite different than
windows, mac users are doing fine (better?) without this...
>I assume that Motif does it for the same reasons.
I don't think motif is "the one" to look for good usability...
>> No other modern windowing toolkit changes the mouse
>> cursor during a menu operation. This includes Windows, MacOS, OSX and
>> There are real usability reason for not changing the shape of the mouse
>> cursor during a menu selection operation.
there are at least two flaws if the gtk menu selection that make
really hard for newbies to use it:
- the cursor jumping rigth & left, when you are comfortable aiming
with the cursor inclined to the left, suddenly it changes to the
rigth for no good reason (or not good enough).
- to select a subitem, gtk doesn't do a pause in the item (the parent)
(like windows does for example) and if you try to reach the subitem
diagonally, it hard to not select another parent item, with the efect
that another submenu (that you don't want) appear, making the
selection of what you want, only available to those who master
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