Re: Misconduct of GTK+/glib Bugtracker Admins

[Andy Tai <atai atai org>]

Right.  What happens seems to be that because the Red Hat (or people
working closely with them) are the main developers in gtk+, and they mainly
work on GNOME, they naturally look at the needs of GNOME as the main driver
for their work.  It is hard to say they intentionally work against
non-GNOME environments.

That said, I do hope the gtk+ developers do keep a conscious effort to
avoid GNOME related changes to dominant the future of gtk+--at least making
the gtk+ itself as portable as possible, with minimal tie-up to systemd or
such.  Of course this requires strong non-GNOME developers (especially like
these working on Windows or Mac OSX, or the BSDs (that do not use systemd)
inside the Unix world) to get involved in gtk+ to make sure gtk+ feaure
sets to be implemented on these platforms

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Wouter Verhelst <w uter be> wrote:

> Dude, seriously.
>
> There is no conspiracy. Red Hat is not an evil empire.
>
> If you have a problem, spit it out already. Otherwise, ranting about how
> Red Hat is taking over the world!!1! is not doing anyone a favour.
> You've made your point. It would appear that people are not really in
> agreement with you.
>
> I'm not a Red Hat or GNOME user myself, and I do agree (to some extent)
> that stronger ties between GNOME and GTK is not a good thing. But
> ranting about it on mailinglists is not going to fix that. If you really
> think that GTK is going in the wrong direction, the best way forward is
> to fork it and make it do what you think it *should* be doing. That's
> what the MATE people did when they believed GNOME was going in the wrong
> direction, and it seems they're pretty successful at that.
>
> If you're not prepared to go there, can you cut the **** already?
>
> kthxbye.
>
> On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 04:10:29PM -0600, IgnorantGuru wrote:
> > It's not that I don't believe your experiences, but your rather negative
> > interpretation of my motives and methods.  I'm not suggesting such
> developers
> > can't be manipulated to do minor things by kissing ass - raging egos
> often
> > can be manipulated that way.  How they respond when someone sticks to
> facts
> > and relevant viewpoints is what matters - that's professionalism vs
> > favoritism and bias.
> >
> > I don't claim to be the most patient person, and we knew each other
> already,
> > but my discussing Red Hat's history on that bug was not anger nor was it
> > ranting.  I have a half million visitors to my blog that I have
> discussed all
> > of this with plenty.  Ranting in a bug report doesn't make much of a
> dent.
> > Instead, I was informing others dealing with them that there was a
> history to
> > the bug and their preferred solutions, and that some of what was being
> said
> > was inaccurate.  I was providing important and very relevant context on
> it
> > being an inter-DE issue, and I was disclosing their conflict of interest.
> > Even if this involves a company name or a developer's name (and I only
> > mentioned them generally), it is relevant to how the bug is being
> addressed,
> > and by whom.  The FACTS I presented just happened to be unflattering to
> their
> > particular ears, so they thought it was fine to just delete and threaten
> > people to remove the information.  Nor is this an isolated case, but
> merely
> > one of a long series of examples.
> >
> > They conduct themselves as tyrants, simply put, and this project's
> > contributors seem to be whipped into accepting such treatment.  I'm
> surprised
> > to see a considerate person like yourself defending their behavior.  I
> have
> > no hatred of them - the internet is full of arrogant fools.  Yet putting
> them
> > in charge of your project and doing as they say is another matter.
> >
> > You also give them a benefit of the doubt I do not.  To me, their reason
> for
> > instantly responding to and commanding all such bug reports is to control
> > their direction for Red Hat and ilk.  To this end, they largely obstruct,
> > rather than resolve.  Remember, these are not just good-hearted fellows
> > donating their time.  They're paid by a very large corporation and do
> what
> > they're told to do, and don't do what they're not told to do.  And that
> very
> > large corporation has different views on direction than most users of
> GTK+.
> > So you needn't defend them - they have plenty of PR people  and money to
> take
> > care of that.
> >
> > You might start defending the interests of yourself and libre software
> > development instead, as I'm sure they're not the same as Red Hat's
> interests.
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