Re: Replacing Squishdot

[Christian Schaller <Uraeus linuxrising org>]

Hi Michael,
I am aware of the next generation Squishdot (Swishdot), but the problem
on gnome.org website is not the lack of great visions it is the lack of
implementation of those visions. And while I must confess not being
aware of the timetable for Swishdot, my general feeling is that we
shouldn't postpone doing anything with Gnotices today because something
may become available in 6 months (random time period).

That said I have nothing against keeping Squishdot, but we have needs
that needs getting addressed in a short term timeframe.

As for details, well for moderation the need is simple. If the current
system in Squishdot actually worked and not posted any comments on the
page before they where approved by a moderator that would be fine.

As for sidebars, well this a bit more complex, but our needs are as
follows:
a) A sidebar with an event calendar. Currently this is done by parsing a
static webpage (an of-gnome.org website to make it worse). This should
be replaced by an system where people submit events much the same as
they currently submit newitems.

b) A sidebar for birthdays. People are not happy about having birthdays
displayed in the main news area, so moving birthday posts into a sidebar
might be nice.

c) The current software sidebar should be kept, but it needs to be
integrated with the new TROVE based software map.

We also need time controlled posting. We need to be able to approve a
story and set it to be published at a later time. (Important in order to
time press releases etc.)

As for flames I don't belive I have flamed either you or anyone about
the technical infrastructure choices of gnome.org. 

To be honest I couldn't care less if we use Squishdot or some PHP based
system. What I care about is as a functional user of the website is that
the website provides me with the functionality to do my job and that
there are people around to solve technical problems as they arise.

So if I seemed very php focused on my original mail is because I got the
distinct feeling that there really wasn't anyone on the gnome-web-devel
list interested in Zope development, but a lot of people interested in
PHP development.

So if you think you can help us the needed functionality on Gnotices
using the current Squishdot setup Michael that is great, since it
solves the archiving problem also. 

Christian


On 25 Aug 2001 11:43:37 -0700, Michael R. Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 2001-08-25 at 04:11, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I think there is no doubt that Squishdot doesn't really give us want
> we
> > want at the moment. There was a big discussion about what to do a
> while
> > back where the general consensus was to just upgrade Squishdot.
> > While this upgrade fixed most of the stability problems, the
> > functionality is still lacking.
> > 
> > I think if someone with the rights skills volunteered to create a new
> > and better solution there would be no objections. Wether this solution
> > means fixing Squishdot and getting things like moderation, accounts
> and
> > some new sidebars working or replacing it with something else (PHP3
> > or..) is not that important I think.
> > 
> > The origianl resistance from gnome-hackers against removing Squishdot
> > was more due to fear of another solution needing many months to get in
> > place than a statement of support for Squishdot and Zope.
> > 
> > If Steve is setting up some authentication in regards to the new
> > software map, maybe we could use the same authentication for a new
> > Gnotices authentication system?
> > 
> > Any takers?
> 
> I'm crossposting this to the Squishdot mailing list.
> 
> While the squishdot codebase is currently lacking in certain features
> such as moderation and user accounts, this is being addressed with the
> 'next generation' Swishdot application being developed on top of the
> Zope Content Management Framework (CMF). The CMF has a very solid and
> well built infrastructure for membership, workflows (reviewing of
> contributed content), and other good stuff.
> 
> I don't belieive that anyone has currently contributed a moderation tool
> per-se for CMF, but depending on what you need, this may not be too
> dificult to add.
> 
> I would appreciate some more detail as to what features you would like
> to see added to Squishdot/Swishdot, as 'moderation' and 'sidebars' is a
> little vague.
> 
> As far as incorporating authentication from an outside source, this has
> always been a core feature of Zope, which has authentication adapters
> for LDAP, SMB, PAM, SQL, and probably anything else you care to try.
> 
> BTW, in the past, I've gotten flamed by PHP 'advocates' for suggesting
> Zope and CMF as an appropriate content management system for Gnome.org,
> and I hope this doesn't happen again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael Bernstein.
> 
> 
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