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Greetings to all.
This kind of mailings are new and and _expression_ of
changed political-positions (like war andsoon). N o t an _expression_
of godwin's law.
In the case the "national Hero" has ben called
"Hero", it offers nationalism. ~95% in german means Hitler wasnt an
national Hero. Today we know: the Hitler was
produced by warcraft-capitalism, thats why the motorway.
Some day the motorway has been build anyway,
maybe more efficient, surely without kills. The fascism murderd
beastalike also handicapped-germans, dissidents-germans, clercs-germans and
so on. One of their methods are to lie and
prevert the facts (this case couse of these mailings).
Where are we today? Is the warcraft-capitalism
done? Our Ms. Merkel had ben called as an fascism too a few month
before :-D.
Fascism alike illustrations, songs, parolee (also
as Background)... are forbidden in german since more than 60 jears by a few
law's (Potsdammer Abkommen) an assumed by our constitutional-law. Who
are we that we challenge now?
art.gnome cannot envelope this discussions, please
swap-out now. Im developer and active-anti-fascism who knows many sides.
I will build an free discussion-forum ( i will need 3 Days), please stand
still until i post done.
Regards
Peter Rader
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in
art.gnome
I think you are just misleading the whole thing...
(if) You think Hitler was a national hero, and you feel like making a
wallpaper of him for you, you should do it.
(if) You think that Israel is a
fair place to live and feel like making a wallpaper of it's flag, you should
do it.
(if) You think Mussolini was a good leader and feel like making a
wallpaper of him, you should do it.
(if) You think Pinochet and George Bush
are also, great leaders AND feel like making wallpapers of them, you should do
it.
(if) You study a little more and open you mind, you will see that
Hitler really was a national hero, really went hard trying to make of German a
better country. Was he wrong? Maybe in the method.
(if) You use the same
open mind to take a look into what means Nazi, you will see further more then
"killing jews", a patriotic movement. Were they wrong? Maybe in the
method.
People admire and DO make wallpapers, flags, flyers and bunch of
stuff about lots of people that you see as genocides and they see as
heroes.
I, as declared, don't give a shit about Guevara. But, for good
luck, happened that I live in Argentina, homeland of Guevara, and had the
chance to learn a lot about him. See someone with a t-shirt of Guevara make me
think about people around the world using t-shirts of Bush and Obama. About
people that have flags of the Nazi party, the People's Republic of
China, who kill Tibetans without anyone saying shit and still buying
chinese crap, about all these inconsistences that surround
us.
Part of this is
result of something that you may not like when other people uses, but that you
make plenty of use and its called: Free of speech.
I guess I made my
point and I guess you are just trolling, so I'll keep just 'til
here.
best regards to the
group.
2010/6/4 Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespinel msn com>
So this is it.
I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a
great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please
upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party?
So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the
security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators
from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting
other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and
there was neither apologies to the left nor right political
conditions.
Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be
open for every single kind of people.
From: sdebrum gmail comDate: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44
-0700 Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome To: yellowdropcase gmail comCC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org; gnome-list gnome org
Hi:
After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond
it.
First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice
space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if
people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many
people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might
think different than you.
Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books,
documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check
it.
(Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution,
books like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I
have learned a lot of what was happening before and after the revolution.
After learning that I have become a great admirer of el che
Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too.
Thanks,
Silvina
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropcase gmail com> wrote:
Dear
Antonius,
I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here
we go.
First of all, I think your comment
totally misplaced...
The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler
and Ernesto Guevara is really going too far.
I actually don't give
a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made) but if someone wanted
to share the ideology of the Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a
thing that I don't expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for
not doing it.
Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that
you certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war, the
history is and has always been told by those who won the wars. I don't
expect you to call your president or war heroes "serial killers",
"monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give them glory and eternity, over
the blood they trow and lives they took.
A revolution is not made
by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image of Guevara is and
will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the strong and won.
Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call
"socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird
_expression_) were once called "free world" even that today this old dream
is decaying.
I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the
box and see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people
and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect them.
Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
Best regards.
Thiago
2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
Hello
all.
First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make
possible this
great project, Gnome.
I'm just a user and I
would never have thought of finding myself
writing to the gnome
community, but sadly I have found myself morally
forced to do
so.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop
and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site.
Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!)
of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known
in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest
icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that
watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
as I believed and
still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
kind of stuff, the
same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
pictures of Adolf
Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters
like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
place for finding
any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing
to all of you but first, I have not found any
e-mail address of
administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
community and as
member of this community (as user and occasional bug
reporter) I
think I have the right to share this thoughts with all
of
you.
Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and
madder in these
chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so
difficult to just
have a little of dignity, common sense and decency.
In my opinion that
image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should
not be part of this
great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind
of censorship or
political correctness, but just a sense of morality
and respect in the
things we do.
The links:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
It has
not been my intention to offend anyone.
Thanks for your time and
kind regards.
God bless you.
Antonius
Iesus.
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