RE: Gnome 3.4 breaks sloppy mouse focus?

[Gabriel Rossetti <gabriel rossetti trafigura com>]

O, thanks. Not to be a whiner, but from what I understand (I haven't tested 3.4 yet as it's not available for my distro yet) I would then not be able to use the mouse to choose a menu in the keyboard-activated application menu, since if another window is in the mouse's path (using sloppy focus) it would switch the application in focus and thus change the application menu. So I would have to always use full keyboard navigation for the application menu if I want to use sloppy mouse focus?

I realise that this application menu poses no problems for touch screens (since the pointer jumps from one place to another) and also for windows-like focus settings (click to focus), but it's a pain for sloppy mouse focus users. I'm sure that mainstream computer users, coming from Windows or Mac, have no problem with this since they have never really had a choice but for linux users that love sloppy focus this is a big change I think. I don't want to start an argument, but I wonder if this use case was forgotten when the gnome shell UI was thought out? I didn't see anything written about this (use case) in the app menu screen mocks.

Thanks,
Gabriel

-----Original Message-----
From: magcius gmail com [mailto:magcius gmail com] On Behalf Of Jasper St. Pierre
Sent: 01 March 2012 08:45
To: Gabriel Rossetti
Subject: Re: Gnome 3.4 breaks sloppy mouse focus?

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Gabriel Rossetti
<gabriel rossetti trafigura com> wrote:
> Ok, thanks for the differentiation Jasper.
>
> But that still breaks the sloppy mouse focus doesn't it? How will that be addressed? A keyboard shortcut, etc?

You can currently use Ctrl+Alt+Tab to activate the application menu.

> Thanks,
> Gabriel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magcius gmail com [mailto:magcius gmail com] On Behalf Of Jasper St. Pierre
> Sent: 29 February 2012 19:53
> To: Josh Leverette
> Cc: Gabriel Rossetti; gnome-shell-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: Gnome 3.4 breaks sloppy mouse focus?
>
> Of course, it would be wonderful or terrible if we have global menus,
> but we don't. We have "Application Menus"... what's the difference?
>
> Application menus are explicitly set by the application, and aren't
> pulled out of a GtkMenu at all. They're designed with both the Shell
> and the Application in mind. If you ever see "File", "Edit", etc. in
> an application menu, file a bug. That's not what it's designed for.
> It's designed for application-global things.
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Josh Leverette <coder543 gmail com> wrote:
>> I've never read such a thing about Mac. The menus are a key feature of Mac.
>> Global menus are excellent because they take no accuracy to use. Throw you
>> mouse up and voila, the menu. Otherwise you spend large amounts of time
>> aiming for the menu, which is usually thin and difficult to hit. Users do
>> not hate Unity's global menu. Users hate change, of any kind.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Josh
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2012 11:39 AM, "Gabriel Rossetti"
>> <gabriel rossetti trafigura com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I just read this
>>> (http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/looking-forward-to-gnome-3-4/)
>>> article on Gnome 3.4. It looks like since it's forcing the new global menus
>>> breaks the sloppy mouse focus, how are you going to fix this (are you? I
>>> hope so...)?
>>>
>>> What I don't quite understand, is that one thing a lot of people hate
>>> about unity is the global menus, I even read an article saying that in
>>> future versions of Mac OS X it's possible that it will disappear (sorry, no
>>> longer have the link), so why is Gnome Shell switching to it? If it was
>>> optional then I'd understand, some people may like that, but others don't.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gabriel
>>>
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