Re: How do we store/install apps?

[Lennart Poettering <mztabzr 0pointer de>]

On Tue, 21.10.14 18:33, Colin Walters (walters verbum org) wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014, at 07:38 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> > Yes. Correctly. The hash-tree stuff, that is verified on access.
>
> That's actually very cool if it was directly in the FS - it has the
> potential to be a lot more efficient and dynamic.  Does it really exist
> yet or just planned?  All I can see of this is:
>
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/34667

It's vaporware as of now. We have been talking about this a couple of
times with Chris and he says he's working on it, but no public code
exists.

> > Well, the "framework" concept I suggested should really include gcc,
> > gdb, strace and all those things. It should be the real deal, that
> > allows you to develop stuff.
>
> I think the reality is that the packaging model won because you really
> do start to want unions.  GNOME's sdk could include strace and gdb,
> sure...but what do you do when you need to debug the interpreter of your
> Python/Ruby/whatever web app?  And for that matter, 
>
> Even then, the set of all profiling/debugging tools is so varied; e..g
> does the SDK include /usr/bin/perf (incidentally an app that actually
> comes with the kernel...)

Well, I think GNOME should stick everything it wants to support
in one runtime, and that would include the C libs and python, and
hence would also mean including both the debugging tools for C and for
python in the matching framework. GNOME should be careful what to
support though. For example, supporting Ruby-GNOME in the official
runtime is something I would be really careful with because it would
mean supporting it for a long time, and that might not be something
GNOME would really be willing to do.

Lennart

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Lennart Poettering, Red Hat