Re: Please think about this

[nestor dv <nestordi usuarios retecal es>]

I can search files within Nautilus.
I press the search button and give me a text entry where I can write the file I am looking for. Nautilus search uses a daemon called medusa, that indexes all files available. It's quite fast, though sometimes after Mandrake installation medusa is not started as default so I have to start the daemon by hand and wait untill it finishes indexing.
Gnome-find, I made the maintainer a nice icon by the way :), is one of the most powerfull tools to search, you can use it as easy as select directory and file you are looking for and press Search, it even does regular expressions. The prob is that is not the default searching tool and the default one is not so good, but is easy to add an icon to the main gnome menu to have Gnome-find at hand.
And thirdly, is just almost impossible to allow any user to search in any folder as this supposes a big security risk.
If you come, as me, from the Windows World, is not hard to understand permissions but is hard to get used to check everything you want at hand is under it's proper group and user. This would be easier if standard groups where created from the start and make a Group Tool easier to link each folder/file to the proper group. Let me explain. You install Linux and you get six main groups:
Work Documents
Personal Documents
Images
Music
Programs
Misc

You have this six folders at /home and in the User Group Management tool they are already created as Groups. This way you fill the folders with the stuff, then assign Groups to the users you want. Mum: Images Misc
So when Mum logs in can browse and search in those folders.
I know anybody can do this but the target is newbies or people that come from the windows world, so I think the Standard Share Groups could be very helpful.

Yours:
nestor di
augcyl.org
gimp.es.gnome.org


On Tue, 28 May 2002 11:26:50 -0500
"Richard J. Mancusi" <vrman execpc com> wrote:

> I expect to be flamed for this - but it's worth it to say my
> piece.  I joined this list in hopes that I could contribute
> to Linux on the Desktop.  I am VERY tired of hearing that it
> can't be done.  You folks are the ray of light that I was
> looking for.  Unfortunately, I have become ill and I await
> the results of tests to discover how much longer I have.  I
> am not in the position to commit to a project - but perhaps
> some day.  I write you today to share a recent experience.
> 
> Windows people see me using Linux and are interested.  They
> are truly amazed at some things I do - even though they are
> at best simple/basic Linux functions.  Now I have several
> companies interested in making the change to Linux.
> 
> So, I decided to slow down and pay close attention to how I
> work - and how a Windows person would view it.
> 
> The first thing I "caught" myself doing was opening a terminal
> window and using the find command to find a file.  Why?
> 
> I use Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3.  The Nautilus file manager does
> not have a way to find a file.  The Nautilus online manual
> shows "Find" and "Services" but they don't really exist.
> 
> The official Red Hat reply to my Service Ticket is:
> Nautilus is not their software and they provide no support.
> They sent me to a Nautilus site that was closed 1 year ago.
> They also suggested other file managers like KDE's Konqueror
> or even Gnome search tool when logged on as root.
> 
> My problem is that no one from the windows world will
> understand that separation of o.s. and File Manager.  Nor
> will they buy into handing out root priv to all users.
> 
> The most important thing here is the total lack of support.
> This plays directly into the hands of the windows folks.
> Perhaps there is a simple answer - but Red Hat doesn't
> know it - and that is a problem.  Have I researched this
> carefully? - No  The actions I took were what I believed a
> new/windows convert would take.
> 
> Why should you care?  I don't see how we can present a viable
> Office product when it may appear to some that there isn't
> a viable Desktop.  Gnome Desktop - Gnome Office - hey it's
> all the same "company".  Remember, consider the audience.
> 
> I hope someone on the list knows who to talk to.  Whether
> it be to wake up Red Hat to where the support is or speak
> to Gnome Desktop folks.
> 
> I suspect many of you will not think that this is our
> problem - I think it is.  Flame away.
> 
> Thanks for your ear -
> Rich
> 
> 
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