Re: ALSA (was: Re: Gnome-Media 2.2.0 "No War On Iraq" released)

[George Farris <george gmsys com>]

I see you feel quite strongly about this:-)  Do you know what the ALSA
and kernel people are saying?  It's my understanding that ALSA will be
the default for the new 2.6 kernel.  Surely Linus and ALan Cox, at a
minimum, would have some serious criticism if things are that bad.  I'm
surprised to say the least.

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:52, Ronald Bultje wrote:
> Hi George,
> 
> On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 21:12, George Farris wrote:
> > What is wrong with the design?  Why is everything crap, out of
> > curiosity?
> 
> What moron would ever think about creating a userspace lib for
> K_E_R_N_E_L drivers in such a combinatory way like alsa did? They
> (kernel- and userspace) don't go together, and anyone who thinks
> differently either needs a brainwash or he just doesn't know how to
> create a decent kernel interface, in which case he should stay miles
> away from MY kernel tree.
> 
> Userspace lis as wrappers for applications are great things, especially
> if you attach them to widgets and all so that the application hardly
> needs more than some widget creations to wrap a mixer. But you don't
> create userspace libs for kernel drivers in such a crap designed way
> like alsa did, since you can't depend on anything (any dependency is
> wrong, but no dependency is even worse), making the whole thing just a
> wrapper over posix calls, which only prooves the point that you didn't
> understand posix well enough to create a decent kernel interface which
> means that you're a moron that should stay away from kernel programming.
> 
> Ronald
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George Farris <george gmsys com>