Re: nautilus sux

[Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus marcuscom com>]

On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:12, Peter Leftwich wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2002, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 21:33, Peter Leftwich wrote:
> > > I am trying to run Gnome 2.0 and before running startx I `setenv
> > > WINDOW_MANAGER metacity` (tcsh).
> > You don't need this.  GNOME will remember your window manager across
> > sessions.  Once you set things up for metacity, GNOME will spawn that
> > each time it starts.
> 
> Joe Marcus, thanks for your help so far - very inspiring!
> 
> I guess my question then is... once I have a session completely laid out to
> my liking, is there a simple way to create a backup of the file(s)?  Maybe
> from ~/.gnome2/ someplace?  Is there a way to construct or reconstruct my
> ~/.xinitrc based on a "session" that I like?

You can always backup your ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf directories.

> 
> Similar question about this -- my ~/.xinitrc has a line that says "exec
> gnome-session."  Is there another DIFFERENT command line I can use here
> such as something like just "gnome &" instead of gnome-session?

No, exec gnome-session is the way to go.

> 
> > > It seems I keep getting layers and layers of desktops and the "taskbar" at
> > > the bottom of the window gets obfuscated.  When startx is done, I can right
> > > click and choose "New Terminal" but the usual borders of [_] and [X] and
> > > [-] etc are missing, cropped away.  When I run "top" and kill nautilus
> > > things come back.
> > This I have never seen.  Perhaps it's related to your environment
> > setting in .xinitrc.  Perhaps a screen shot would help visualize what
> > you're seeing.
> 
> I have been seeing it quite frequently lately - I'll make a screenshot at
> somepoint (or try to, since my MainMenu button disappears and with it the
> "Take a Screen shot..." command in the "start menu") and post the URL to
> view it.  Great idea, thanks.
> 
> How do I find out what the items in my "Start Menu" have for their cmd lines?
> 
> > The respawn thing is normal.  Nautilus is set to respawn once it is
> > killed.  You can change this by going into the session settings, and
> > setting Nautilus to something like Normal.
> 
> Smart programming, Gnome people :-)  for people like me that get on the
> warpath *grin*
> 
> > > Is nautilus part of Gnome 2.0 or part of metacity?!
> > Nautilus is a component of GNOME.  It _is_ the GNOME 2 desktop.  It is
> > responsible for drawing the icons for Home, Start Here, Trash, etc.
> > Metacity is simply a window manager; like twm, afterstep, blackbox,
> > etc.  It is responsible for drawing the window decorations (title bars,
> > window handles, etc.).
> > Joe
> 
> Ah ha, I don't really like this in that case... It seems like there is a
> "Microsoft Active Desktop" aspect of Gnome 2 in that case.  It must not
> help that I do things in gnome-terminal such as `rm -rf .Trash` or `rm -rf
> ~/.gnome-desktop/Trash` just because I am anti-trash.

Why are you using GNOME at all, then?  If you don't like the desktop,
switch to just using metacity or sawfish as your window manager if you
like them.  If not, try out blackbox, afterstep, or any of the other WMs
ported to FreeBSD.

> 
> Also, a related question - are file managers related to the GUI (kde, gnome
> etc), the windows manager (metacity, sawfish, fvwm95, fvwm etc) or just
> third party apps that can be MIME-linked?  I would really like to find one
> that is most like Windows Explorer (on the left hand insert) and like
> ACDSee32 on the right-hand icon area :)  :)   (:

Both GNOME and KDE include their own file manager, but there are
others.  Checkout the x11-fm category in ports.  If you like explorer,
checkout mc, the Midnight Commander clone or endeavour.

Joe

> 
> > > Crashing Win98SR1 was easy enough using IE and Outlook but today I saved a
> > > page as complete from Mozilla 5.0 and it crashed the X11 environment!!
> > > Should I be proud?
> > PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc
> 
> I guess I am kind of proud - I keep the developers in business sort of.
> 
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