Re: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs

["William Kreamer" <kreamer 954access net>]

Check two things:
1. See whether you have sound when you are logged in as user, and also as
root.
2. See whether you have sound files in your user  .gnome  subdirectory.
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>    1. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (hobbit aloss ukuu org uk)
>    2. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Henry Katz)
>    3. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Arthur H. Johnson II)
>    4. GDM: window resizing annoyance (Paul Smith)
>    5. Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (stan)
>    6. Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot?
(Jee Desjardins)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000
> From: hobbit aloss ukuu org uk
> To: Gnome Mailing List <gnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable?
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote:
> > stan wrote:
> > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of
the
> > > night).
> > >
> > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.
> > >
> > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
> > > Gnome woody .debs
> > >
> > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > > The WILL trash your panels.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Bollocks!!
>
> I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
> persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
> not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
>
> Please don't prove this true.
>
> > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited
> > for everything to come to life then logged back out again.
> > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was
> > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.
>
> I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
> It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
> more like 10x10.
>
> > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.
>
> When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
> and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
> lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
> files going back to January 2000 there...
>
> > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal
> > evidence of memory loss.
>
> I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
> much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
> file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
> printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
> more people than just me though...
>
> Telsa
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500
> From: Henry Katz <henry katz iscs-i COM>
> Organization: ISCS, Inc
> To: hobbit aloss ukuu org uk
> Cc: Gnome Mailing List <gnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable?
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> hobbit aloss ukuu org uk wrote:
>
> > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
> > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
> > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
>
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with
an
> English one.
>
> > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
> > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
> > more like 10x10.
>
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix.
Assuming
> you have the time...
>
> > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2
2.4.9-31.
> > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of
tampering.
> >
> > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
> > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
> > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
> > files going back to January 2000 there...
>
> Mine only go back two months..
>
> > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
> > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
> > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
> > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
> > more people than just me though...
>
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and
Solaris.
> I just intended to say
> that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.
>
> Henry
> --
>
>
>
>  I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
>                  -Morpheus
>
>  ISCS, Inc                Henry Katz, ScM           henry.katz at iscs-i
dot
>                                                     com
>  eSolutions eXpertise     718.268.3584              www dot iscs-i dot com
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> hobbit aloss ukuu org uk wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time
> trying to
> <br>persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
> <br>not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn
at.</blockquote>
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with
> an English one.
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging
> in sometimes.
> <br>It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
> <br>more like 10x10.</blockquote>
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix.
Assuming
> you have the time...
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram,
> gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> <br>> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of
tampering.
> <p>When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
> <br>and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
> <br>lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
> <br>files going back to January 2000 there...</blockquote>
> Mine only go back two months..
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good
> way to assess how
> <br>much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a
graphical
> <br>file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
> <br>printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
> <br>more people than just me though...</blockquote>
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and
Solaris.
> I just intended to say
> <br>that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.
> <p>Henry
> <br>--
> <table COLS=3 >
> <caption>&nbsp;
> <br>&nbsp;</caption>
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> <tr>
> <td COLSPAN="3"><font size=-2>I didn't say it would be easy. I just said
> it would be the truth.</font></td>
> </tr>
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> <tr>
> <td ALIGN=RIGHT><font size=-2>-Morpheus</font></td>
> </tr>
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> <tr>
> <td>ISCS, Inc</td>
>
> <td>Henry Katz, ScM</td>
>
> <td>henry.katz at iscs-i dot com</td>
> </tr>
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> <tr>
> <td>eSolutions eXpertise</td>
>
> <td>718.268.3584</td>
>
> <td>www dot iscs-i dot com</td>
> </tr>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" <arthur linuxbox nu>
> To: stan <stanb awod com>
> Cc: Gnome Mailing List <gnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable?
>
>
> Not here.
>
> --
> Arthur H. Johnson II
> Senior Systems Engineer
> The Linux Box
>
> E-mail:  arthur linuxbox nu
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> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer
that I care
> > > > > > to remember.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug
reports,
> > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem.
That's
> > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users
> > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting
their
> > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My
experience
> > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix
'em
> > > > > if they know about 'em.
> > > >
> > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to
provide
> > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug
> > > > report.
> > > >
> > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond
this
> > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different
mater
> > > > entirly.
> > > >
> > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually
> > > > get work done.
> > > >
> > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for
me"
> > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a
error
> > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's
choices
> > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within
that
> > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of
panels
> > > were gone :-(
> > >
> > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide
that Gnome
> > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago.
> > >
> > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a
_useful_ bug
> > > report on this?
> > >
> >
> > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the
> > night).
> >
> > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.
> >
> > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
> > Gnome woody .debs
> >
> > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > The WILL trash your panels.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 4
> To: gnome-list gnome org
> Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance
> From: "Paul Smith" <pausmith nortelnetworks com>
> Reply-To: "Paul Smith" <pausmith nortelnetworks com>
> Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500
>
> Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it
> annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your
> username?
>
> After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly
> smaller and the box for my password is displayed.  Why does it do that?
> Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password
> text etc.?
>
> I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything
> more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but
> to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :).
>
>
> Debian Woody
> GDM 2.2.5.4-2
>
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>  "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500
> From: stan <stanb awod com>
> To: Gnome Mailing List <gnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot?
>
> I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it
> that I'm setting up for my wife.
>
> I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a
> user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome
> session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer
> setings and all cahnels are set quite high.
>
> I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window,
> however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control
> Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no
sounds.
>
> Hw can I further troubleshoot this?
>
> --
> "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
> neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
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> Message: 6
> Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot?
> From: Jee Desjardins <ermshta ermshta org>
> To: "Mailing List: Gnome" <gnome-list gnome org>
> Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500
>
>
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> Hello,
>       I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I
> can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I
> mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome
> games / gnomeicu / gtm / .....
>
> Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to
> help but I really don't know where to start.
>
> Jee Desjardins
> ermshta ermshta org
>
> On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote:
> > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it
> > that I'm setting up for my wife.
> >=20
> > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a
> > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome
> > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the
mixe=
> r
> > setings and all cahnels are set quite high.
> >=20
> > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window,
> > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control
> > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no
sound=
> s.
> >=20
> > Hw can I further troubleshoot this?
> >=20
> > --=20
> > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
> > neither liberty nor safety."
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
> > _______________________________________________
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> >=20
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