RE: gnome-core 1.2.3.1 "Dignitude" released

["Padraig O'Briain" <Padraig Obriain ireland sun com>]

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> Subject: RE: gnome-core 1.2.3.1 "Dignitude" released
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> My problem here is the misleading dialog box in the gnome-login-check,
> instructing you to get the original libICE or else. It doesn't actually fix
> anything or work around any bugs, it just asks you to stuff yourself.
> What it COULD do is to point you to the location of the patch in Solaris
> that fixes the problem, or just shut up  and not show any dialog boxes, just
> document the bug in release notes.
> 

I suppose I was commenting on the dialog box.

> The other thing is that I see nothing wrong with having workarounds in the
> code. There is no such thing as bug free OS (yes, even Solaris, I know it
> hurts your pride Padraig :), we have to deal with it and not just refuse to
> work because we can't be bothered to be gentle in some places.
>

I am only too well aware that there is no such thing as a bug-free OS but it 
people report bugs to us we do try to fix them in a timely manner.

I can understand people trying to work around bugs as reporting bugs and 
tracking when a patch will be available can be demoralizing. In an ideal world 
getting the bugs fixed is better than working around them and although I have 
lived long enough to realize that the world is not ideal I cling to the hope 
that we can make things better.

 
> > It seems wrong to me to have to write code in GNOME to deal 
> > with this. Is it 
> > possible to document somewhere a sys-admin can easily find, a 
> > description of the 
> > problem and the solution, the patch number, to fix it?
> > 
> > Padraig
> > 
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> > > Subject: RE: gnome-core 1.2.3.1 "Dignitude" released
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> > > OK, so I think the dialog box in the gnome-login-check 
> > should tell me about
> > > the patch and not require me to look for the libICE version 
> > which I probably
> > > can't get legally.
> > >  
> > > > This problem had already been raised as a bug, 4368629. It is 
> > > > fixed in Solaris 7 
> > > > patch 108376-16, for sparc, 108377-15 for intel.
> > > > 
> > > > Padraig
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > > Subject: RE: gnome-core 1.2.3.1 "Dignitude" released
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> > > > > 
> > > > > Here is what I found: I have the Solaris 7 "November 99" 
> > > > edition (for
> > > > > sparc). The function IceListenForConnections() in libICE 
> > > > causes the calling
> > > > > application to crash with SIGSEGV. Apparently previous 
> > > > editions of Sol7
> > > > > didn't have this problem. Also, take a look at the bug 
> > > > #12942 in the gnome
> > > > > bugbase. The function IceListenForWellKnownConnections() 
> > > > does not crash, so
> > > > > I use it instead and gnome-session behaves correctly 
> > (at least at my
> > > > > machine. YMMV).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Janusz Gorycki intel com
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Has a bug report been raised for the broken libICE on 
> > > > > > Solaris. If not, can 
> > > > > > someone send me the details so I can raise a bug. Perhaps we 
> > > > > > can get it fixed.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hate having to work around bugs which should be fixed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Padraig
> > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >        - gnome-login-check now checks for a broken libICE 
> > > > > > on Solaris
> > > > > > > >          (Andy Reitz, me)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I hate to sound rude, but I would much rather have 
> > > > > > gnome-login-check work
> > > > > > > around this libICE bug, than just say "screw you, upgrade 
> > > > > > to Sol8 or find an
> > > > > > > original libICE" and crash gnome-session. What if I don't 
> > > > > > have the original
> > > > > > > libICE, because I have bought the version of the Solaris CD 
> > > > > > with the libICE
> > > > > > > bug in it ? Should I go and buy another one just to fix 
> > > > the bug ? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The workaround IS possible (I have the prototype code, I 
> > > > > > have even posted it
> > > > > > > to this list), it just requires a tiny little more 
> > bit of work.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Janusz Gorycki intel com
> > > > > > > 
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