Re: gtk+ and gtk-engines slow

[raster redhat com]

On 23 Jan, bratsche@dfw.net scribbled:
->  
->  I'm starting on a capplet for imlib_config right now. I suspect it
->  probably can't make it into GNOME 1.0 because of the freeze unless someone
->  thinks it's really important.

AHA - NOW I see a sensible solution to all of this. :)

->  On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
->  
->  > Yeah, I've used it.  I was refering to a proper capplet.  I would just
->  > write/modify one myself, but I'm at work, and wouldn't know what I was
->  > doing anyway.
->  > 
->  > On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 mozart@windsor.igs.net wrote:
->  > 
->  > > 
->  > > Ever try the program imlib_config ? it works great, and what a bonus, a
->  > > pretty interface, yay! :)
->  > > 
->  > > On 23-Jan-99 Marcus Brubaker wrote:
->  > > > I'm probably sticking my nose where it doesn't belong (it wouldn't be
->  > > > the
->  > > > first time) but it's a shame to see the both of you, both exceptional
->  > > > programmers that are obviously quite stubborn, fueding about something
->  > > > like this.  I'm inclined to side with raster in that hosing the cache
->  > > > arbitrarily in such a way is a bad idea, but the happy medium is to set
->  > > > a
->  > > > *default* in a config file to turn Imlib caching on or off.  I think
->  > > > defaulting it to on is a good idea and then those 486 users that can't
->  > > > handle the cache can turn it off by hand until someone writes a capplet
->  > > > (or modifies one) to do it in a pretty interface.  Lets stop bickering
->  > > > and
->  > > > just get back to what we all love to do, hacking. :)
->  > > > 
->  > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 raster@redhat.com wrote:
->  > > > 
->  > > >> On 23 Jan, Miguel de Icaza scribbled:
->  > > >> ->  
->  > > >> ->  > The solution is to leave caching on. miguel wanted it off by
->  > > >> default.
->  > > >> ->  > All my code I write for Imlib ASSUMES caching - its SO HANDY  it
->  > > >> means
->  > > >> ->  > having to write very little intelligent code since all the smarts
->  > > >> are
->  > > >> ->  > handled for me. imlib is a high-level Image loading and display
->  > > >> library
->  > > >> ->  > - not low level. :)
->  > > >> ->  
->  > > >> ->  In GNOME we do not assume that.  So, that logic that might make
->  > > >> sense
->  > > >> ->  in Englightment is turned off for us.
->  > > >> ->  
->  > > >> ->  See my previous post for a solution in the case of the gtk-engines
->  > > >> setup.
->  > > >> 
->  > > >> I have reasons for caching - I designed the cache etc. for a very god
->  > > >> reasona nd I make use of it in my code. App slike electic Eyes, E,
->  > > >> gtk-pixmap theme etc. rely on it for performance reasons. overriding
->  > > >> user preferences forcibly in gnome-libs is the most evil thing i've
->  > > >> ever
->  > > >> seen. all performance issues wiht imlib and gnome hencefore I will deny
->  > > >> any responsability for. This is all on your head, not mine. I disagre
->  > > >> with you on this and I have my reasons. I will let you bog gnome down
->  > > >> if
->  > > >> you want.
->  > > >> 
->  > > >> ->  Miguel.
->  > > >> ->  
->  > > >> ->  
->  > > >> 
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->  > > > Marcus Brubaker
->  > > > spoon@elpaso.net
->  > > > http://www.elpaso.net/~spoon
->  > > > 
->  > > > Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
->  > > >     -Nietzsche
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->  > > Date: 23-Jan-99
->  > > Time: 17:52:01
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->  > 
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->  >     -Nietzsche
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