Re: Yet another newbie

[bob kehs ksd org]

my $.02
i dont care so much that gnome team dosn't produce RPMS. my largest amount
of time wasted is dealing with the tar.gz's that have bad specs or no
specs. It is a simple matter do make rpms with correct specs. Who ever
produces the tars needs to check that they have good specs. I would be
happy to donate my free cpu time building rpms for every one. I just dont
have time to build specs for everything.

As to rpms, GNOME is on this planet to make X more useable. RPMS do the
same. Therefore, RPMS, or the ability to make rpms from tarballs, should
be available. If gnome is to be widely used it needs to be easy to
install.

On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

> Well, first off I will just tell you that we realize that the install
> process of GNOME is a bit difficult and that the documentation is not up
> to date.  The fact that you couldn't locate RPMs is nothing uncommon as
> the GNOME team itself does not produce RPMs, only tar.gz's.  Various other
> parties produce the RPMs and make them available for download.  Hopefully
> by the time 1.0 is out, things will be a bit smoother to install.
> 
> > First I struggled to install GNOME 0.30 from the CD and after many hours I
> > gave up, gapped me a copy of KDE and after 15-20 minutes KDE was installed
> > and I was connected to the internet.
> 
> Very understandable.  Although GNOME really doesn't have anything to do
> with internet connectivity.  Perhaps someone should write a nice GNOME
> tool for configuring PPP connections.
> 
> > I like KDE, but as I said, I'm a newbie so when I saw that there was a
> > Danish user group in my area I joined it, and all was talking about GNOME so
> 
> I wish I could join a users group.  Anyone in the Central Illinois area
> (Peoria) want to start one?
> 
> > I decided to give it a second try, I gapped the latest RPMS 0.99.3 ( the
> > whole directory ) and was trying to follow the 'getting started' from
> > www.gnome.org  step by step.
> 
> Someone needs to update this.  I think the FAQ has some better
> documentation on how to install things now.
> 
> > The first stop was when I should install libPropList I could NOT find a RPM
> > which included the libPropList - later I found that I had to download and
> > compile it - no problem but it was not mentioned on the step-by-step page.
> 
> Like I said before, the GNOME team does not produce RPMs.  And again,
> someone should update the page to reflect stuff like this.
> 
> > The next problem occurred when I came to the point where I should install
> > gnome-admin, as before, it was missing !
> > I found 0.30 on the RedHat CD and installed it - well tried to It failed to
> > install due to dependency errors so I did a rpm -ivh --force
> 
> Last I checked gnome-admin isn't really being kept all too up to date with
> the rest of GNOME.
> 
> > Due to various dependency errors I did a rpm -ivh --force *.rpm
> 
> Just as a word of advice, this is a really dangerous thing to try to do.
> RPM's, when properly created should never need to be forced except for in
> the rarest of circumstances.  If they are forced, or installed with
> --no-deps, bad things tend to happen.
> 
> > Next step was to configure my system to use GNOME, and according to the
> > config page it should be easy -  well yes if one knows Linux it might be,
> > but I don't know Linux that much so I ended up with that I should
> > edit/create .xinitrc and here is how it looks:
> > 
> > panel &
> > background-properties --init &
> > screensaver-properties --init &
> > mouse-properties --init &
> > exec enlightenment &
> > exec gnome-session
> > 
> > This seems to work, but I don't know if it's the best way to start GNOME ??
> 
> With the latest RPMs, all you should have to do is run
> gnome-session...maybe run your WM before hand, but that just kinda
> depends.
> 
> > Once again, the step-by-step have misleading information: according to the
> > page, one should add /opt/gnome/bin to the path, well I have /opt as a mount
> > point, but the RPMS is NOT installed there !
> 
> RPMS, by default, should go to /usr/local or /usr.  I think /opt/whatever
> was refering to if you installed from source.
> 
> > The performance is a bit slow on my machine (K6 200 MHz - 128MB RAM), I hope
> > that it is due to incorrect configuration of GNOME ??!!??
> 
> Probably.  I have a K6 233 w/ 128 megs and it runs perfectly, but I
> compile from source and work off the latest CVS sources.
> 
> > As I'm sending this mail I'm downloading the latest source, and hope to
> > compile it using the gcc supplied with RedHat 5.2 ( 2.7.2.3 - I think)
> 
> This is probably your best bet.  I would recommend that you remove all the
> GNOME RPMs you have installed before compiling from source or things could
> get messy.
> 
> > And as the fast ones can see I had to switch to my old NT to write this mail
> > as I can't make GNOME connect to the internet.
> 
> As I mentioned above, connecting to the 'net should really have nothing to
> do with GNOME.
> 
> Anyway, installing from source is really your best bet.  Good luck and
> feel free to email with any specific problems.
> 
> Regards,
> Marcus Brubaker
> spoon@elpaso.net
> http://www.elpaso.net/~spoon
> 
> You might be a gamer if...the phrase "Collect Call of Cthulhu" brings back fond memories.
> 
> 
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