Re: On menubars, toolbars, and everything.

["Robert J. Slover" <robert slover rose-hulman edu>]

My understanding is that this is really part of Windows CE, and was
done to eliminate some of the wasted vertical space on palmtops (and
reduce the number of GUI objects in the CE heirarchy).  I applaud
this, because I hate having toolbars wasting my vertical space.  I
turn them off when I am given the option.  Collapsing their function
into the menu bar (which is usually over half empty) is a good idea.
The tools are still a click away and don't waste too much space.

I've also been told that this was not Microsoft's own idea.  


Viet-Trung Luu wrote:
> 
> Some comments on menubars, toolbars, etc.:
> 
> I've come to like the menubars/toolbars in MS DevStudio (VC++) 5. There
> are quite a few things I dislike about them (and, as a whole, I dislike
> the program -- keyboard shortcuts are practically useless in the thing,
> due to the way they mismanage the input focus!), but there are some
> really good ideas.
> 
> I like being able to put arbitrary items on the toolbars, including menu
> items (and similarly, putting buttons on the menubar). Unfortunately,
> they don't quite generalize this enough and the menubar is still
> distinguished and "special" -- you can't disable it, move it around in
> the same way as toolbars (IIRC), and it looks a bit different.
> 
> But really, menubars are just a special case of toolbars, or, perhaps,
> toolbars are just a generalization of menubars. Having toolbars
> (menubars) moveable, dockable, etc. is great, though I would like more
> control over certain things (e.g., when a toolbar docks to the side of
> the window and when it floats). A "pushpin" type thing would be
> terrific.
> 

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