Re: gtk icewm?

[Christoph Henrici <henrici dial eunet ch>]

raster@redhat.com wrote:
> 
> On 18 May, robert havoc pennington shouted:
> ->
> ->  On Mon, 18 May 1998, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> ->  >
> ->  > > when comparing menu popup speeds to say, gtk.. but IMO icewm is
> ->  > > currently too win95ish for Gnome.
> ->  >
> ->  > I believe that arguing on the basis of how similar something is to
> ->  > Windows 95 is wrong.  We should be basing our arguments on the
> ->  > capabilities and the benefits.
> ->  >
> ->
> ->  Yes! This is an excellent point. Just because the overall Windows OS is
> ->  kind of yucky doesn't mean we can't steal shamelessly from their
> ->  highly-paid UI researchers. We should copy Windows, Mac, NeXT, X, and
> ->  everything else we can think of to create a nice, familiar synthesis with
> ->  the best of each. In a real sense Different == Bad when it comes to look
> ->  and feel.
> 
> again a misnoma. different is neither bad nor good - it depends what
> new stuff you have. if beinf different was bad a GUi would have never
> been invented - terminals wouldnt exits.,. we'd be uing computers with
> switches and led's as output. Being diferent and having the guts to try
> somehitng new drives innovation and features. don't be afraid of being
> different. Embrace it.
> 
> The ramannt wave of "lets COPY a commercial GUI" that is spreading
> through the linux world is rather sad - it shows that there is little
> imagination and any form of resarche or willingness to branch off and
> at the very least TRY and do better. It is this effor of trying to do
> better and probably in the process look different and act differently
> that is goign ot differetiate GNOME from KDE and MacOs and windows etc.

Abso(u)ltely .... because what MS did just that: "copy a commercial GUI"
...
to the better for the MS world maybe ....yes, but the better the "real"
world, i doubt ..... 
Yes, recycling the same old ideas over and over again, really does not
bring us any further..... like MS doing with IE -> like browser
adlibitum ....
(i actually have enough of browsers......) 

NeXTStep was not really that different ... in some areas maybe an 
enhancement to the Finder (.... more and more intuitive drag and
drop...)
but in other area's really worse ..... (screen real estate etc.)


> It is goign to be what attracts people to it - a GUi that has FRESH
> ideas - not just the old ones recycled. This may involve bastardisting
> current ideas and meshing them - but do nto restrict ourselves to what
> has alreday been done.

One of the problems, certainly is, ideas versus what can be done today
...
but still .....


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