Re: [gdm-list] GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

[Peter Korn <Peter Korn Sun COM>]

Brian, all,

Do we have a "chicken-and-egg" situation here?  Why do all that is 
necessary in GDM if we don't yet feel that accessibility on the desktop 
is sufficiently stable to have it on by default from the GNOME 
community? (so goes one argument)  At the same time, if we aren't quite 
there yet in login, then we need system administration help to set up 
the initial login, so we can have system administration help to turn it 
on at the desktop (and leave that problem unfixed until later).  
Lather-rinse-repeat.

Meanwhile some distros are leapfrogging GNOME & the core community that 
introduced accessibility and made it a core value by enabling users to 
turn accessibility on with a gesture in their LiveCD, and then the 
installation process turns it on for that user on the desktop.  But this 
is a hack.  And users don't have the experience of full and independent 
accessibility in GNOME; they rather instead have it (and have it 
differently) in some distros.

We should fix this.  And component by component, we shouldn't play a 
game of chicken, insisting that some other component fix it first.


Regards,

Peter Korn
Accessibility Architect & Principal Engineer,
Sun Microsystems, Inc.


> Will:
>
> > While I disagree with Brian's assessment (I think he tends to lean 
> > more to the 'it's OK as long as an able-bodied sysadmin can configure 
> > the system for the disabled user' side than the 'let the user be 
> > independent' side), I'll support the decision nonetheless.
>
> I agree with you that "let the user be independent" is best.  However,
> I was just highlighting that GDM's a11y has never matured to the point
> where it was turned on by default (much like the situation with the rest
> of GNOME not having a11y turned on by default).
>
> Therefore, I was just highlighting that the new GDM is pretty much
> as good as the old GDM in terms of a11y.  The main area of regression
> is that you can not launch a11y on-demand when a11y is turned on.
>
> The ability to launch a11y on demand is really only useful if the
> GNOME desktop also supports this feature (which it currently doesn't).
> Being able to navigate the login screen independently is not very
> useful if you still need someone to help you set up your user
> session.  Another use case where the "on-demand launching" feature is
> useful is in terminal server situations where many users may be
> sharing the same server.  However, the new GDM doesn't support that
> anyway, and the release team seems okay with that.  So I don't think
> these a11y issues are a real blocker.
>
> This is why the long term goal is to make a11y "on-demand" launching
> a part of gnome-settings-daemon so it works the same in both GDM and
> the user session.  Then I think we will have gotten to the point where
> we all have been pushing to get.
>
> Brian
>
>
> > Vincent Untz wrote:
> > > Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 09:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Andre Klapper <ak-47 gmx net> wrote:
> > > > > The release-team is going to use gdm trunk for GNOME 2.24.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that most release-team members have mixed feelings.
> > > > > Entire discussion would have been less frustrating if gdm 
> > > > > developers had
> > > > > been more responsible to the concerns shared in discussions. Maybe 
> > > > > just
> > > > > my point of view.
> > > > >
> > > > > Translations of gdm trunk are in a good shape.
> > > > >
> > > > > Distributors: Old gdm is still available in case you hit a 
> > > > > regression.
> > > > I'm surprised by this turn of events, after Vincent decreed that we'd
> > > > go with 2.20 on Friday...
> > >
> > > See
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2008-September/msg00251.html 
> > >
> > >
> > > Vincent
> >
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