RE: User interface suggestions

[Michael Thomas <michaelv cox-internet com>]

drab drab drab drab drab !!!!

On 27 Nov 2000 00:24:58 -0500, David Grega wrote:
> I would be more supportive of this idea if the icons were not the same kind 
> of grayscale as a disabled button.  Rather, I'd prefer something like 
> colored and uncolored - like the old MSIE 3 toolbar where icons are colored 
> in grayscale colors then when you move your mouse over them, it becomes 
> colored. Something like that I would support since it is not confusing and 
> this type of format would not be confused with the disabled type of 
> grayscale we're used to.
> 
> - dave
> 
> ----------
> From:  Adrian
> Sent:  Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:08 AM
> To:  Gguilist
> Cc:  Nicolas Mailhot
> Subject:  Re: User interface suggestions
> 
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> 
> >
> > Le jeu, 23 nov 2000 11:32:52, Adrian a ecrit :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Again some suggestions, this time about a reviewed version
> > > of the
> > > most-used item concept, applied to the desktop and to
> > > applications in
> > > general:
> > >
> > >   http://www.dit.upm.es/~aferrer/open/gnome/suggestions-november2000-II
> > >
> > > Main points:
> > >
> > > * Most-used item technology :) extended to only-icon bars,
> > > like the
> > > launcher bottom bar of the desktop, by converting in
> > > greyscaled icons the
> > > less used ones - in color the most used ones.
> >
> > I don't think that's a good idea.
> > grayscale is already whidely used as a < disabled action >
> > indicator.
> 
> Not exactly... disabled icons are "whited", and in the suggestion, low
> used icons (whited or non-withed) are greyscaled. If you see at the
> desktop-suggested image, there're 4 minimized tasks for the Abiword
> program, so the're whited, but 3 of them are low used, so they're
> greyscaled too, and the other icon is maintened in color (and whited). Or
> in the application-suggestion, the "Avanzar" icon is disabled and very
> used, so it's whited and in color. As you see, they're not incompatible
> criteria. But I think it can be theme-able to personalize more the look.
> 
> > What you might do without confusing users is to use :
> > * < colored grayscale > for example < bluescale > for less
> > used icons
> > * < aura-ified icons > add a subtle aura around most used
> > ones.
> >
> 
> Yes, these are good possibilities for the themes...
> 
> > > * In the tasklist, the concept has been applied too,
> > > including minimized
> > > tasks. I think here it'll be more useful to apply only to
> > > the tasks in
> > > current sesion.
> >
> > If something is not used, it shouldn't be run. What you can
> > do is order tasks by usage. Anyway, I don't think there are
> > enough tasks in a tasklist for this to be useful.
> >
> 
> The idea in the tasklist is to show which of the current tasks are most
> used, this means, which of the currently opened windows have been more
> time selected (in the front).
> 
> > > * In the suggestion for applications, menu&tool bars
> > > (which in my opinion
> > > could be fusioned in only one type of bar, with all the
> > > possibilities of
> > > only-icons, only-text, vertical-icons&text,
> > > horizontal-icons&text,
> > > ...) have received the technology too.
> >
> > I agree on the fusion. Apps should provide lists of actions
> > (name + big/middle/tiny icon + tooltip + extended help +
> > accelerator + callback) and let the user populate menus and
> > convert between menus/toolbars/etc* (that's a gtk decision).
> >
> > * text-menu, text-menu-with-tiny-icons, big-icon-menu,
> > big-icon-toolbar, icon+text toolbar, tiny-icon-without-text
> > toolbar ...
> >
> > That's how the panel is starting to behave. But that
> > shouldn't be restricted to the panel, all gnome apps should
> > benefit from this too.
> >
> 
> Yes, I agree...
> 
> > Right now accelerators/names (translated names)/icons are
> > not synchronized between menus/context-menus/toolbars
> > because they are treated as independant controls.
> >
> > I disagree on your use of grayscale,
> > since it already means something else. And anyway what we
> > must agree on is < are less/most used items something useful
> > ? >.
> > The way they are colorized afterwards is a theme
> > decision.
> >
> > > * Finaly the concept has been extended to files&folders
> > > management, as we
> > > can see in the application suggestion. It'd be applied in
> > > general to every
> > > window/dialogue that manages files/folders, like the
> > > open/save/find ones.
> >
> > This part should be taken directly to nautilus lists IMHO.
> >
> 
> Or perhaps nautilus gui should be integrated into gnome gui for general
> disscusion? :)  Tnx
> 
> 
>                                                               Adrian
> 
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