Re: Apologies to gnome-gui if I ever said you guys were flamers...

["Dan \"Effugas\" Kaminsky" <effugas best com>]

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From: George <jirka@5z.com>
To: gnome-gui-list@gnome.org <gnome-gui-list@gnome.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Apologies to gnome-gui if I ever said you guys were flamers...


>I don't think you got his point ... I don't think he cared at all about
your
>proposal (I don't either, I haven't even read it, doesn't mean it's bad,
nor
>that it's good ... I just didn't feel like it) ...


Well then, he can't complain about there being problems.  See, he can't have
it both ways.  He can't ask me to show it to programmers, and then, as a
programmer, refuse to look at it.

>I also don't think it was the technical details of the proposal that made
>scott flame you ... I think it was you .. the way you present things and
>the way you talk (and attack coders for that matter) ...


Attack coders?  Show me where I began attacking coders before "dan kaminsky
is an idiot" went up.  Show me me where I began attacking coders before I
walked into a room of GNOME coders and was treated like garbage because, of
all sins, I don't know how to code.

>in the free software community ... "design" isn't worth crap, no matter
>how good it is ...

Boy, take the words right out of Jesse Berst's mouth.  Can't wait for MS to
start advertising this.

> the only thing that is worth anything IS code itself
>... so a design should be accompanied by sample code ... or at least sample
>usage .. which still doesn't mean anybody will go bonkers over implementing
>it ... nor does it mean that anybody will actually look at it ...
>
>there is no coder biggotry ... it's the same as the docs issue ... arguing
>how the docs should be done isn't really worth anything ... somebody
>doing the docs IS worth something ... in the free software world, the
>only thing that does matter is what you actually produce ... if what you
>produce just describe what you want others to produce .. it won't go far
...


Welp, you do it as you want, and I'll do it as I want.  At least by my way,
I have coders offering to write.

>George
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