Re: RGSG

[Lars Torben Wilson <torben coastnet com>]

"Dan \"Effugas\" Kaminsky" writes:
 > All I know is, anybody who has ever used a computer before is gonna be
 > thrown for a loop with Exit not being in the file menu.  I just asked my

Yes, very probably. :) That's why it needs testing. We need to know
how hard it will be for people to get used to the idea. If they just
can't do it, maybe it is not good. But we also need to be concerned
about how non-previous users will view it. Just because it's always
been done wrong (IMHO, of course :) doesn't mean we have to.

I do think that it would be a mistake to have it in more than one
menu, though.

 > It's more than a safety feature, BTW.  It's a critical feature, one that's
 > saved mah ass many times and one that makes alot of sense.  What DOESN'T
 > make sense is that there's no batch interface...I want to save all and close
 > all and quit with one button, and it's not easy to do that with any GUI
 > right now.
 > 
 > That's where I get the File link.  In MY view of the exit icon, it's a one
 > stop Close up shop and get the heck out.

I agree. IMHO, anything short of SIGKILL should cause the app to
prompt to save any unsaved work.

By 'safety feature', I did not intend to denigrate its importance. It
_is_ a safety feature, albeit a vital one that I believe cannot be
ignored. I did not mean that exiting should not cause files to be
saved, nor did I say that. I merely meant that exiting is an operation 
on the application, not the files it is being used to operate on. When 
I want to save all my files, I save all my files, via 'Save all',
which _should_ be under the File menu. When I want to exit the app, I
exit the app, and heaven help any app that doesn't offer to save
unsaved work before it dies. ;) 

Hm. That just brought to mind the verb-noun stuff from HCI class:

I want to Save my Files, therefore File->Save all.
I want to Exit my App, therefore App->Exit.



Torben