Re: [orca-list] Orca keynames

Hi Jochen:

I agree that these keys are not things that flourish in the wild. Glyphs for them do appear on keycaps, however, though often as graphical symbols instead of text. I hope we can come up with some translations. I would treat "compose" and "multi" as being identical, with the primary function of these keys being to compose a character using multiple keystrokes, as in "create" or "construct".

I did a little more research on KP_Begin and found this in keysymdef.h:

#define XK_End                           0xff57  /* EOL */
#define XK_Begin                         0xff58  /* BOL */

So, it seems as though the intent for Begin is the beginning of line (BOL). I'm not sure the key is ever really used this way. If there is a translation for begin in the context of "beginning of line", however, it's probably reasonable.

Hope this helps, and thanks for your work on translating!


On Aug 23, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jochen Skulj wrote:

Thank you for your answers and comments. After thinking about this issue
again I came to this conclusion:

»multi«, »compose« and »begin« are rather (abstract) key functions than
concrete keys. They can mapped to concrete keys but don't have to. The
question if these key functions are mapped and the questions to which
keys these key functions are bound depend strongly on the user's
hardware and configuration.

Because of this I would suggest to translate these key functions only if
they meaning is clearly evident and if the key functions have a
standardized and vendor-independent binding (like escape, enter, etc.).
All other key functions will be left untranslated (»Compose«-Taste)
since all translations I could think of would only be valid within a
special environment (e.g. Sun keyboard users) and might confuse others.
Another reason is that I don't see a huge benefit in translating »multi«
to »Compose« or »begin« to »Num 5« since I assume that those key
functions don't have a important meaning for the majority of all users.

Please let me know if you disagree or have other suggestions.

Am Montag, den 18.08.2008, 17:19 +0200 schrieb Hermann:
Willie Walker schrieb:
I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've got
problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames:

Thanks for your hard work!
- mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys for
switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of these
keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which I don't
know yet.

On my Sun keyboard, this is mapped to the physical key that is labelled "Alt Graph" and it is bound to Mod 3. I cannot find what it it mapped
to on my Ubuntu box.

Perhaps the right Alt key in German: "Rechte Alttaste". or "Alt+gr".

- begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this the
same key as Pos1 or is there a difference?

This is usually bound to the keypad 5 key (try "xmodmap -pk | grep -i
begin").  I have no clue what it does.

In German: "nummernblock 5" or "Num 5".

Jochen Skulj
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