Re: [gnome-cyr] The name of the list

[Vlad Harchev <hvv hippo ru>]

On 29 Mar 2001, Yanko Kaneti wrote:

 Hello!

 I think that name of this list is somewhat incorrect and really should be
gnome-ru or something like that (gnome-cyr-in-russian?). Generally russian
hackers and hackers who speak russian are communicating here (and sometimes
localization of software to russian is discussed here)..

 But I think the only list where cyrillization and i18n of gnome software at
public level has to be discussed (in English of course) is
gnome-i18n gnome org   Cyrillization is i18n too, cyrillization solutions that
can't be called i18n (i.e. solutions that work only for cyrillic languages)
are hackish solutions and should be avoided as much as possible.

 So, gnome-cyr where all cyrillic-speaking hackers meet dedicated to
cyrillization with the only English allowed for communication shouldn't exist
anyway - gnome-i18n gnome org should be used for this purpose. The reason why
gnome-cyr exists under its current name can be considered a mistake in the
name of the list. 'gnome-ru' just seemed to be inappropriate list name too
since it would distract Belorussian and Ukrainian hackers from participating
in it.

 Best regards,
  -Vlad

> On 29 Mar 2001 08:03:01 +0400, Dmitry G . Mastrukov wrote:
> > На Чтв, 29 Мар 2001 01:07:04 Yanko Kaneti написал:
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > > i am pretty sure you all understand very well my main argument 
> > > 
> > > if this list is focused on cyrillization then the language used
> > > should
> > > be
> > > be the common denominator for all the interested parties 
> > > as you know this language (among the interested in cyrillic) is
> > > english
> > > and not russian
> > Yes, may be if future. But you are the first non-Russian person in the
> > list. Our moderator can see subscribers and say exectly who is
> > subscribed and how many non-Russinas here. So why we should use
> > non-native language?
> 
> it think i expressed my motives for that in my words above
> your position begs for gnome-ru 
> 
> > > having a "private" discussion in your language is no good for all
> > > the 
> > > other people interested in this, hence it fails the list purpose
> > > (i am well aware that many people, including me, can understand and
> > > even express themselves in russian, but thats not the point here) 
> > > 
> > Some time ago in gnome lists (seems gnome-list) was discussion about
> > using of non-English languages in the list. Common opinion was
> > something like "let somebody talk his native language. If someone in
> > list can understand message then he will reply to it, if no - message
> > wil be unreplied".
> 
> thats all very fine and enhances the communication and sharing of ideas
> right!, blah...
> 
> 
> > Discussion about list language seems to me unproductive. If you have
> > any question on cyrillization or i18n of gnome you are welcomed to ask
> > it (may be in your native laguage, seems, we can understand some words
> > ;)) ). Everyone in this list can speak (at least write) in English
> > more or less fluent, so somebody shurely will answer you.
> 
> i'll have no problem with whatever you decide to do
> but you'll of course allow me and all the others thinking like me
> to take the ignortant position of not reading the mail archives to this
> point, and probably further ignoring all the mail in russian 
> 
> thanks for reading this far, we should really stop, cuz this is
> obviously pointless
> 
> > with respect
> > Dmitry
> > 
> 
> best regards
> yanko
> 
> 
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