Re: [gnome-cy] Aurfa/Krowbar - a Welsh dictionary server

[Jim Killock <jim killock hebffinia com>]

Kevin / Dafydd,

The deal with Mark's stuff is:

he presented the wordlist to me compiled under the agreement that i 
would redistribute under GPL

he also sent me his compilation algorithms for generating parts of 
verbs etc also under agreement I may redistribute under GPL. I haven't 
got his "raw" wordlist (only the compiled version) but I would expect 
that Mark would be very happy for us to have it if we asked. He's very 
keen to help out as a rule, but obviously wants to retain his copyright 
(as he can under GPL) and be paid if it is a commercial venture.

Jim



On Friday, December 19, 2003, at 10:22  am, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

> On Friday 19 December 2003 2:11 am, Dafydd Harries wrote:
> > Ar Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:24:20PM +0000, ysgrifennodd Kevin Donnelly:
> > > > Well, Mark Nodine is the person you need to contact least of all,
> > > > because he has given permission for the use of his dictionary.
> > >
> > > Not to me :-)
> >
> > His wordlist is available under the GPL, which should be sufficient
> > unless you want to do something which is not covered by the licence.
> > See http://www.hebffinia.com/geiriadur/.
>
> Hmm.  Interesting.  I can find no reference to the GPL on the site 
> which I
> presume is the proper one:
> http://oldweb.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/
> Perhaps I am missing something.  The HTML downloads at:
> http://oldweb.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/LexiconForms.html
> have "(C)opyright 2003 Mark H. Nodine" in them, but again no reference 
> to the
> GPL.  So my comment stands.
>
> > > Yes, I looked at the dict stuff (and I think the Welsh list is even 
> > > in
> > > Omnivore somewhere, back before I started noting the source).  But I
> > > don't see the benefit of running a separate protocol when http can 
> > > do the
> > > job more easily.  A lot of the stuff is pretty cobwebby as well, 
> > > which
> > > suggests others have come to the same conclusion.  I haven't got 
> > > around
> > > to the aspell stuff yet.
> >
> > Regardless of whether the dict protocol is a good one or not, it's 
> > well
> > established and well supported. For better or for worse, compatibility
> > will often win over a superior design. Personally, if I were to design
> > something to do the job that dict does, I'd probably implement 
> > something
> > that sent XML over HTTP, but since dict already exists and has a large
> > user base, it's folly to ignore it.
> >
> > No matter how little you or I like the protocol itself, it does its 
> > job.
> > Unless I'm missing something and it doesn't meet something necessary 
> > for
> > what you're trying to do.
>
> It's not a matter of me liking it or not.  I'm sure it may be very 
> helpful to
> some, but for my purposes http is as compatible as it gets, and the 
> lack of a
> rejiggable database backend is limiting.  I agree that XML might be 
> the way
> forward if you wanted to develop some sort of dictionary service thing 
> (eg
> conjugate this verb in the present/future), but that's about as far as 
> I'd go
> - the best container to hold data in is a database.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes
>
> Kevin Donnelly
>
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