Re: [gnome-cy] Aurfa/Krowbar - a Welsh dictionary server

Kevin / Dafydd,

The deal with Mark's stuff is:

he presented the wordlist to me compiled under the agreement that i would redistribute under GPL

he also sent me his compilation algorithms for generating parts of verbs etc also under agreement I may redistribute under GPL. I haven't got his "raw" wordlist (only the compiled version) but I would expect that Mark would be very happy for us to have it if we asked. He's very keen to help out as a rule, but obviously wants to retain his copyright (as he can under GPL) and be paid if it is a commercial venture.


On Friday, December 19, 2003, at 10:22  am, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

On Friday 19 December 2003 2:11 am, Dafydd Harries wrote:
Ar Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:24:20PM +0000, ysgrifennodd Kevin Donnelly:
Well, Mark Nodine is the person you need to contact least of all,
because he has given permission for the use of his dictionary.

Not to me :-)

His wordlist is available under the GPL, which should be sufficient
unless you want to do something which is not covered by the licence.

Hmm. Interesting. I can find no reference to the GPL on the site which I
presume is the proper one:
Perhaps I am missing something.  The HTML downloads at:
have "(C)opyright 2003 Mark H. Nodine" in them, but again no reference to the
GPL.  So my comment stands.

Yes, I looked at the dict stuff (and I think the Welsh list is even in
Omnivore somewhere, back before I started noting the source).  But I
don't see the benefit of running a separate protocol when http can do the job more easily. A lot of the stuff is pretty cobwebby as well, which suggests others have come to the same conclusion. I haven't got around
to the aspell stuff yet.

Regardless of whether the dict protocol is a good one or not, it's well
established and well supported. For better or for worse, compatibility
will often win over a superior design. Personally, if I were to design
something to do the job that dict does, I'd probably implement something
that sent XML over HTTP, but since dict already exists and has a large
user base, it's folly to ignore it.

No matter how little you or I like the protocol itself, it does its job. Unless I'm missing something and it doesn't meet something necessary for
what you're trying to do.

It's not a matter of me liking it or not. I'm sure it may be very helpful to some, but for my purposes http is as compatible as it gets, and the lack of a rejiggable database backend is limiting. I agree that XML might be the way forward if you wanted to develop some sort of dictionary service thing (eg conjugate this verb in the present/future), but that's about as far as I'd go
- the best container to hold data in is a database.


Best wishes

Kevin Donnelly - Meddalwedd Rydd yn Gymraeg

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