Re: Accessibilty module for colorblind people

[Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diógenes <cerdiogenes yahoo com br>]

Hi,

After reading the last messages of the thread an idea come in my mind.

Since gnopernicus/orca can discover the structure of documents, web
pages and windows, this can inform parts of the screen that the filter
must be applied. Only to illustrate this idea, think in a web page that
contains a graph, the region of the graph can be passed to the magnifier
and only this region will be filtered. Since some times could have a lot
of images in the user interface the key to enable or disabe the filters
is very reasonable solution to these cases.

Daniel, if you want to test the lastest version of gnome-mag I recommend
that you download the development version of Ubuntu, since it's use a
newer X server and the patch to add full screen magnification to it
using a single display works well in this X server.

Best regards,
Carlos.

Em Ter, 2006-10-10 �22:41 +0100, Daniel Ruoso escreveu:
> Ter, 2006-10-10 �15:57 -0400, Bill Haneman escreveu:
> > Hi Daniel:
> 
> Hi... First of all, I'd like to thank you for you reply... 
> 
> > Enhancements that support colorblindness usually work in one of two 
> > ways; firstly, themes are provided to select a color and contrast 
> > environment that suits a particular user's color perception.
> 
> This is fine, at least for Gnome. I usually don't have problems with the
> usability of the software itself. The problem usually resides in reading
> charts from the internet, or when seeing images that present some
> information in the wrong colors. And that's why I'm attacking it from
> the other side.
> 
> > The second way that colorblindness can be addresses is via "filtering"
> > the entire desktop - this is usually done in "magnifier" software, at
> > least in the Windows world.  The screen might be "magnified" at 1:1
> > ratio (i.e. no actual enlargement) but re-colored when presented onscreen.
> 
> I would be fine with that, actually. As far as the system is as useable
> as without the magnifier. In fact, I don't have the most recent version
> of gnome-mag here (my fault), but my user experience when trying it is
> not so confortable. I should download the latest version to give it a
> try.
> 
> > On the Gnome (and KDE) desktops we have a problem with using themes for 
> > this - we need more colors in our themes, so that applications don't 
> > "hard code" colors for things like pie charts and other graphics.  
> > (Hard-coding colors is already something that is considered an 
> > accessibility violation, but we need more colors in our themes in order 
> > to give applications a reasonable alternative).  Once we do this, I 
> > think we would actually have better visual results that what we can 
> > easily achieve by re-coloring or transforming the color space of our 
> > user interface - for instance, color transformation which might work 
> > well to make a pie chart more readable could make a photo really awful 
> > and distorted.  So in that respect I think enhancements in the theme 
> > space would be very beneficial and might be the top priority.
> 
> Agreed, except that the main problem is not with the applications that
> are part of the desktop environment. gnome is already
> colorblind-friendly as colors are not used as the only alternative of
> information.
> 
> > Re-coloring the entire screen makes sense in some situations (but can 
> > produce ugly or unpleasant results sometimes).
> 
> Agreed also, and that's the point of having a keystroke to turn the
> filter on and off.
> 
> > As Carlos has said, we have a magnification service built into Gnome
> > already (KDE also has a magnification utility), and I tend to think
> > this is the best place to put recoloring utilities for this second
> > approach to color customization.  The COMPOSITE extension looks to
> > me like the best way to achieve this - which is another reason for
> > doing it in the magnifier, since otherwise our colorblindness support
> > would conflict with magnification. 
> 
> This raises the issue of gnome-mag being a composite manager itself, but
> this is something to be discussed with the metacity team, not the a11y
> team (I've just started a thread about it in metacity-devel-list).
> 
> > The idea of making recoloring and magnification both be modular 
> > compositing manager plug-ins makes a lot of sense; however I think it 
> > may take some time to come up with an API for it that actually works for 
> > all the kinds of transformations and rendering changes we will want to 
> > do.
> 
> Indeed. This is something that should be discussed at some time...
> 
> >       We also would want to avoid conflicts between, for instance, a 
> > theme for deutanopia and a compositing filter for the same.
> > If the recoloring code was written as a "plug in" for gnome-mag, without 
> > explicit Gnome dependencies, then other projects like KDE could use it 
> > too, and it could also be applied to images instead of the whole screen, 
> > which seems like a good thing to me.
> 
> One way or another, this is my plan. libcolorblind is already an
> independant project, and will continue to be. I'm just trying to figure
> out how/where to plug it...
> 
> []'s
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
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