RE: Orca on laptops.

Hi Janina and All,

I'm using Jaws 7.x, under Win XP Pro. When I want to lock or unlock the
Capslock key, I just double strike the Capslock key very quickly.

I'm not aware that you can use the Shift+Capslock combination to lock
the Capslock.

Joe Lazzaro

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina rednote net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:17 PM
To: lazzaro
Cc: 'Rich Burridge'; 'Janina Sajka'; 'Bill Haneman'; 'Willie Walker';
'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; 'Gnome Accessibility List'; 'Orca
screen reader developers'
Subject: Re: Orca on laptops.

At the risk of beating on this to death ...

Am I correct in the belief that we mean Insert and CapLocks
interchangeably? If so, I agree.

Insert is the long established default on full-sized keyboards. I don't
believe this was at issue, in fact.

CapLocks comes up only to facilitate laptop users where Insert is
awkward, at best, and often plain impossible. Of course, once we have
CapsLock, there's no reason to not use it as a modifier with a full-size
keyboard, should a user wish.

I suspect there is a point of divergence where a decision must be made,
though. As I understand it, JFW uses Shift plus CapsLock to actually
latch CapsLock. Speakup, on the other hand, uses Ctrl-CapsLock for this.

I suggest the resolution we want is consistency, and I think we need to
adopt practices already familiar in gnopernicus, orca, and indeed the
Windows world. So, much as my Linux/Unix soul prefers Alt-Tab over
Shift-Tab, I suspect the Shift-CapLocks should latch/unlatch caps.


Joe Lazzaro writes:
> I vote for employing Insert and CapsLock as modifiers. This will
> what's used in some Windows screen readers, and users will be
> to it, which is a good thing.
> Joe Lazzaro
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org]
> On Behalf Of Rich Burridge
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:27 PM
> To: Janina Sajka
> Cc: Bill Haneman; Willie Walker; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
> 'Gnome Accessibility List'; 'Orca screen reader developers'
> Subject: Re: Orca on laptops.
> Hi Janina,
> > Of course, the fact that this is established practice and widely
> > expected by users both on Windows and Linux should really end this
> > discussion, from the user point of view.  Choosing anything else
> > certainly cause continuing confusion and displeasure among users, so
> > there'd need to be extremely powerful arguments to choose anything
> else.
> > I haven't heard arguments yet in this thread that strike me as
> > sufficiently convincing to look for some other modifier. 
> >   
> One of the arguments for Insert (or rather KP_Insert, the 0 on the
> numeric
> keypad), is that you can do "chords" (Insert-<whatever>) with one
> whilst the other hand could remain on the braille display.  I can 
> quantify how
> significant that is to a blind user. Hopefully other members of this 
> list can
> speakup (sorry) and tell us.
> > It's available, achievable and remappable, and it's what users
> > What else do we need to put this one to bed?
> >   
> My feeling is that we just need to pick a default that most people
> If that's CapsLock to be compatible with JAWS and Speakup, then so be
> it.
> As it's configurable, other users can adjust accordingly.
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