Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.
- From: "Al Puzzuoli" <alpuzz gmail com>
- To: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>, "Henrik Nilsen Omma" <henrik ubuntu com>
- Cc: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List <ubuntu-accessibility lists ubuntu com>, Gnome accessibility <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.
- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:30:02 -0400
A few interesting findings:
The below tests were conducted on An Edgy system with latest updates as of
Tuesday August eight:
1. I downgraded gnome terminal, by building and installing
gnome-terminal-2.14.2.tar.gz, as well as vte-0.12.1.tar.gz. After
downgrading both of these packages, I still experienced the focus issues as
2. I rebuilt gaim using a tar ball of the gaim 2.0.0beta3 sources as
downloaded from source forge about two weeks ago. This particular instance
of gaim worked under Dapper, and interestingly, when I built it under edgy,
it resolved the buddy list focus issue. Edgy is purportedly shipping the
same version of gaim but for whatever reason, the problem occurs with the
version that's bundled, and goes away if I rebuild from the source tar ball.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" <henrik ubuntu com>
Cc: "Al Puzzuoli" <alpuzz gmail com>; "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List"
<ubuntu-accessibility lists ubuntu com>; "Gnome accessibility"
<gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.
I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none
of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall
accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more
and follow up with the appropriate teams.
> 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one
> a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to
> bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason,
> doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order.
My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and
you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried
various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to
do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). So...I resorted to
clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy
Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed
to do just fine with it.
Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1.
> 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks
> events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over
> place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the
> window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity
> that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other
> if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually
> the last line on the screen.
I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of
getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for
GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14. As such, it's difficult to know where
text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the
cursor is. We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the
appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more.
> 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even
> read the
> menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is
I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary
incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what
is in GNOME 2.15.90. We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and
will be following up more with them this week. Note that this may or
may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI
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