Re: Mozilla 1.7 rc1 issues.
- From: Jacob Schmude <jschmude adelphia net>
- To: gnome-accessibility-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.7 rc1 issues.
- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:52:43 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
Ok, my $0.02. First, caret mode should always start at the top of the
page, as the windows screen readers do. I'm a fan of the window-eyes web
browsing interface myself, though since some of the hotkeys use the numpad
insert key, and I've not seen gnopernicus use that (the layers replace it,
I think) some of them may need changed, particularly the ones in table
mode. I'd like to see blank lines be announced or, failing that, to get
rid of those "no description, multi-line text" announcements. Keys such as
home, end, ctrl+home, ctrl+end should work properly at all times if
possible. Also, the mozilla dialogs really need some help--the only things
that work reliably are push buttons. Even check boxes don't always
announce their state (the caret browsing dialog is a good example). The
open location dialog (ctrl+l) doesn't speak at all, I think there should
be some type of feedback prompting for the URL. Also, I'd like to see
hotkeys that take you past the navigation links, with adjustable
characteristics (like minimum number of lines, minimum line
length)-window-eyes users willll understand what I refer to. Links need to
be spoken when tab is pressed and identified as such, ditto for all form
controls. There should be a way to read a whole web page out with one
keystroke, a read-to-end key. There should also be a shift+f10-style menu
where one can get properties and copy the link's url for the clipboard.
This may be the case already but since it's so hard to know when you're on
a link I can't really test it.
That's all for now, probably think of more later
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Peter Korn wrote:
> Hi Luke, Tom,
> As you have deduced, Mozilla's present caret navigation leaves much to be
> desired. This is being worked on. Alas, I don't have an estimate of when it
> will get significantly better (beyond "as soon as possible").
> I'd like to open a related topic: what do you (and the other Gnopernicus users
> on this alias) want in a web browsing interface? Caret navigation is critical
> for mouseless operation (a mouseless user must be able to do anything a
> mouse-ed user can, including selecting text to copy to the clipboard), and
> good feedback from Gnopernicus to caret navigation should result in a basic
> level of blind/low-vision accessibility (especially if you include the usual
> Ctrl-arrow, home/end stuff).
> Now, is that sufficient?
> Sufficient or not, what would you add if you could add something to this? Is
> there an existing set of keybindings and approach to the problem you
> particular like and think would be a good model (e.g. JAWS browsing, Window
> Eyes browsing, Home Page Reader, etc.)?
> Peter Korn
> Sun Accessibility team
> Luke Yelavich wrote:
> > Hi Tom
> > At 06:01 AM 30/04/2004, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> >> Hi, List.
> >> Recently, I grabbed the Mozilla 1.7 rc1 source code, and compiled it.
> >> I am having several issues I would like to discuss about it.
> >> I noticed that while tabbing through the page I can get spoken
> >> feedback on
> >> the frame titles, but none of the links on the page get announced.
> > I had the same problem as well, even under GNOME 2.6.
> >> I also noticed on forms the buttons will get announced, but the edit
> >> fields are
> >> ignored and are not spoken.
> > The same here also.
> >> When carot browsing is activated I had assumed it would allow me to
> >> uparrow
> >> and down arrow through the page elements or at least the text on the
> >> pages.
> >> Again I get no speech feedback.
> > Since I have a bit of sight, I have found that the carrot seems to start
> > at the bottom for some reason, and pressing CTRL+Home doesn't always
> > help, and you don't know when you are at the top of the page.
> > Another thing that I think I have mentioned earlier, is that the carrot
> > browsing mode doesn't take tables into consideration at all. One has to
> > know where the carrot is, and press CTRL+Right Arrow, or Right arrow
> > alone to get to the other section of the table.
> >> Is there anyone or any specific list I should address Mozilla
> >> accessibility
> >> with? I would like to get involved with testing Mozilla, help find
> >> accessibility issues, and report those problems to the developers for
> >> future
> >> fixes/changes.
> > http
> > ://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozilla-accessibility
> > Is the mailing list.
> >> Currently, I linked Mozilla with gnome 2.4, but plan to update to
> >> Gnome 2.6
> >> in the next couple of weeks. Does it make a large difference with Mozilla
> >> weather I use Gnome 2.4 or Gnome 2.6?
> > It will perhaps be a bit more responsive, but that is about it I think.
> > Luke
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