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Re: [g-a-devel] Provide a relevant Accessibility.

Hi everybody,

This conversation is not recent but I think it is very important to provide a complete accessibility solution 
in Gnome. The previous version which have good solutions are old. For my new laptop I need at least a 3.6 
kernel to recognize and use lots of devices. On this machine I installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I manually 
upgrade the kernel and I install gnome-session-fallback, but this is very instable. I tried the same thing 
with Ubuntu 13.04 without updating the kernel (already 3.8) but this is also instable with fallback session.

Per consequent only unity and Gnome shell are usable but not accessible for me.

I don't say this to criticize but I would like to participate more actively on this project. I haven't any 
idea of the difficulty and complexity of implementing such project however when I have few time I would like 
to help you.

What do you think about this ?

Yoann.


Yes I tried to set color options in the zoom dialog. This reverse colors of the entire display and allows me 
to access for example nautilus and numerous Web pages with white or light background. The problem is that 
with this option all the destop interface (top panel, left dock, launcher menu opened with super key...) that 
are originally dark become bright with negative option. It is impossible to use an operating system by 
changing permanently negative option each time I want to access menu.

I know many people who have the same difficulties. On gnome 2.x there is for instance the clearlooks theme 
that propose a very simple and uniform color theme in term of background. So an additional full theme 
available without installation can be resolve this difficulties without any impact on all other users.
this is simply an idea, not necessarily the bast solution... In all cases, accessibility not limits itself to 
a set of assistive technologies. The system and interfaces must provide a minimum usability and respect some 
constraints. And I think this is not incompatible with a system for not disabled people.

Yoann.


Message du 05/06/13 à 13h52
De : "Piñeiro"
A : yoann pub voila fr
Copie à : gnome-accessibility-devel gnome org
Objet : Re: [g-a-devel] Provide a relevant accessibility.

Ok, I see.

FWIW, have you tried to use the color options at the zoom dialog? You
can set the zoom factor to 1 and set it fullscreen, so it would apply
the color effects on all the screen. This includes some effects about
the inversion, contrast and brightness, that I hope that could help.

In any case, I agree that it would be desired to be possible to apply
those effects on a individual window.

BR

On 06/05/2013 12:48 PM, yoann pub voila fr wrote:

Hi,

Yes I want to provide you a feedback and also if it's useful, I can contribute by helping you tu know 
what adaptation may be suit for a particular point.

The main source of my difficulties to use new gnome interface is a photophobia (a light sensibility).
until now, I used compiz accessibility plugins, with full-screen zoom and negative.
I need a dark background with light text to allow me to access information.

From the new gnome interfaces some elements have black background (dock, top panel, launcher window) and 
some other have light background (dialog box, file explorer...) So it's impossible to access all elements 
because if I invert colors, originaly light background element are accessible for me but others become 
inaccessible. I miss to change the theme of desktop panels and launcher window (general theme 
modification doesn't affect desktop elements).

To correct this, we have to provide an uniform theme (uniform background theme). According to the large 
majority of light background Web pages this theme should be also have a light background. With this 
configuration negative filter offer full dark background).

For applications that have particular contents like images, as compiz plugin allows to do, it should be 
interesting to provide a single windows color inversion. For example to avoid dazzle due to a complete 
color re-inversion.

I don't know if some of them are already considered as future aims, but without this it is impossible for 
me and many other people with similar pathologies to use new gnomes interfaces. Thus a still use old 
gnome appearance with fallback mode due to this.

Yoann.



Message du 04/06/13 à 16h06
De : "Piñeiro"
A : gnome-accessibility-devel gnome org
Copie à : yoann pub voila fr
Objet : Re: [g-a-devel] Provide a relevant accessibility.

On 06/03/2013 02:33 PM, yoann pub voila fr wrote:

Hi all,

firstly I am really sorry for very low english level. I use Linux system with Gnome for few years 
(Ubuntu) and I have some accessibility problems with the interface.
I'm visually impared (dégénérative pathology) and i used to use compiz accessibility plugins to adapt 
the interface.

I hava many problem to access the new Gnome 3.6+ interface even with universal access options. Thus I 
really want give you my contribution in terms of experience, what it will be able to change to allow me 
correct accessibility, I also can give you main needs of many people that aren't met here.
I'm PhD student and I work on Web accessibility (coputer sciences formation).

I don't know if if post in the correct place or if gnome accessibility is interesting by returns about 
universal access module difficulties.

Yes this is a good place to provide any feedback. Anyway, if your
problems are only about user interaction, probably
gnome-accessibility-list gnome org is a better list.


Can you give me more informations.

What kind of information do you need? From the rest of your email, it
seems that what you want is provide feedback, not asking for help.
"Piñeiro" ,
BR

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Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias

"Piñeiro" , 

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