Re: [Gimp-gui] [Gimp-developer] Using GIMP in the textile industry

[Jehan <jehan girinstud io>]

On 2019-06-04 14:31, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 28. Mai 2019, 13:30:08 CEST schrieb Simon Budig:
>
> [...]
>
> > One thing which came up though (and which we already have discussed in
> > the past IIRC) is the need for a better support for multiple documents
> > in single window mode. The software they're using currently is using a
> > classic Windows Multiple Documents Interface (MDI) and they do in fact
> > make use of it. I tried to explain why I personally consider GIMPs
> > multiple window interface as quite good, but the not-so-great support
> > for multiple desktops in windows (and the bad window management) made
> > this a tough point to sell...  :)
> >
> > I see two options here and I think we've been discussing these in the
> > past.
> >   a) create multiple side-by-side image views within the single window
> >      mode. We could allow for tiling the image area into multiple
> >      notebooks, each containing its own set of images, allowing for
> >      Drag'n'Drop between them etc. ppp. My gut feeling is that this
> >      should be quite doable. It might be a bit tricky to control the
> >      keyboard focus there and to make it clear to the user, which of 
> > the
> >      images will be affected by the next keystroke.
> >
> >   b) (not necessary XOR) it might be feasible to allow for a kind of
> >      hybrid single/multiple window mode, where one can drag out
> > notebook-tabs into their own image view that then is managed by the 
> > window
> >      manager. So we would have one dedicated main window containing 
> > the
> >      toolbox and the notebook-area with image views as well as 
> > separate
> >      windows containing image views (or a notebook of image views?).
>
> What about this:
>
> The tabs in single image mode are not just for one image each but 
> contain
> "workspaces". By default an image is opened in a new workspace 
> containing a
> single image, so it's the same we currently have. It would however be 
> possible
> to split the image area to show more than one image or view. I somewhat 
> like
> the quick and easy way that's done in blender, however, one would need 
> to
> think about what to do when the last view of an image is closed. That 
> way each
> tab could contain a arbitrarily complex setup of image views with the
> toolboxen staying the same for all of them. Having rip-off windows 
> might be
> nice, but I personally don't feel the need, and having both a single 
> image
> window mixed with some floating windows might be confusing.

How we handle images in single window mode is anyway a real pain to me. 
Splitting a single tab to show several views of the same image or even 
different images is indeed a great idea.
But also we should be able to detach image tabs (which is what you call 
rip-off windows, I guess?) into their own windows (same as we can detach 
dockables even when in single window mode). I personally don't believe 
this to be confusing. I mean detaching tabs is a common feature in many 
software (like web browsers!), and it allows to do much more than being 
limited by what the program will allow you. First of all, if you have 
several screens, you can leave some images on one screen (say your 
reference images) and others on another screen (the image(s) you are 
working on for instance). And more usage (you are then only limited by 
your window manager).

In other words, we should stop with the whole single vs multi window 
mode nonsense. We should simply have a single mode allowing all 
possibilities (attaching or detaching images, dockables, toolbox, etc.).

This is something which have been on my TODO-list for years, and I am 
never able to make the time to do this. I would support anyone wishing 
to work in such directions. :-)

> I'm also CC'ing the gui list as that seems to be a better place for 
> this part
> of the discussion.

By the way, maybe you want to subscribe to the gui list. I had to 
manually approve this email. :-)

Jehan

> [...]
>
> > Bye,
> >          Simon
>
> Tobias
>
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