Re: [Gimp-gui] [Dev] Consensus to create a new Symbolic icon theme

[Jehan <jehan girinstud io>]

Hello all,

Top-posting: please could we stop the discussion right here and now? 
This is certainly not the place to be making heated discussions over 
religions.

I think we all arrived to some consensus over the last icon proposed by 
Klaus, that it is nice, and pretty much gives a good enough idea of the 
concept of "icon theme preferences". If anyone has a 
technical/design/artistic/semantic opinion to add about the icon, feel 
free to bring your input. Otherwise let's settle the topic.
In any case, let's stop the religion discussion.
Thanks.

Jehan

On 2016-01-10 23:50, Isaac David wrote:
> No religious symbol or piece of information whatsoever has the
> potential to offend me, and I would like others to hold to the same
> standard. No matter how slanted, distasteful, incorrect, bigoted or
> libelous a form of expression is; only physical damage constitutes an
> offence to me. If I don't like an idea I fight it with another idea
> (or just disregard it), not with victimhood and censorship.
>
> Le sam. 9 janv. 2016 à 17:25, Jorge Araya Navarro
> <elcorreo deshackra com> a écrit :
>
> > In my opinion, secularism is not neutrality (if that is what you
> > mean by neutrality), if you ask me,
>
> I would like to hear more because your opinion sounds wrong by
> definition to me. Note that I'm not advocating the removal of the
> symbol. For this particular symbol I don't care either way.
>
> > it would be an unfair imposition
>
> Under free software imposition is impossible, by definition. It can be
> attempted but it's pretty much futile. Go ahead positively infusing a
> doctrine in every Parabola package if you like; I won't be restrained.
> Moreover, I think it's your right to do so, for software is not a
> State but ought to be your property to modify and distribute. Just
> don't expect me to use those packages, at least in that form.
>
> > on those parabolers who do practice a religion
>
> The symbol can only be there or not, and multiple religions exist. So
> according to you the removal of such symbol is an imposition by
> secularists on practicioners of some Asian religions, but its staying
> is not an imposition of some Asian religion on a Catholic Christian
> like you. Does not compute.
>
> > as secularism holds a set of doctrines about the world that are
> > contrary to, i.e.: mine.
>
> This sounds amusing. Do you advocate theocracies, the desaparition of
> freedom of religion, or something like that?
>
> > This is to say that, we should do such a fuzz about this. El
> > sábado 09 de enero del 2016 a las 1625 horas, coadde escribió:
> >
> > > Hi guys, some days ago, i found a Ying Yang icon that is being
> > > used as Symbolic icon theme [0]. Since it is part of concept of
> > > Chinese folk religion [1], in my opinion it lacks of neutrality.
> > > So, i've posted a report about it to bugzilla [2]. In the middle
> > > of the discussion, i've put that use a heraldic shield (proposal
> > > of liam [3]) could be a good idea; however, i didn't paid
> > > attention that a heraldic shield represents a imperialist symbol
> > > [4] that is opposite of my principles, sorry about that :( I've
> > > been thinking a lot about a solution for it, then it popped into
> > > my head... "why don't create a new one based on classic GIMP
> > > theme? [5]" It could be proposed as an idea for Klaus that, as
> > > Jehan says [6], "he is kind of the de-facto icon boss for the time
> > > being. :-)", however i think is better open a consensus to
> > > encourage community participation to make a appropriate logo for
> > > it and help him too. What do you think guys? Regards, Márcio
> > > Silva Parabola GNU/Linux-libre hacker
> > > https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#coadde [1]
> [0]:https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Symbolic/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
> > > [2]
> [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_folk_religion#Yin_and_yang.E2.80.94gui_and_shen
> > > [3] [2]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281 [4]
> > > [3]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c4 [5]
> > > [4]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry [6]
> [5]:https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Default/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
> > > [7] [6]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c11 [8]
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> >
> > -- 👋 Pax et bonum. Jorge Araya Navarro
> > https://es.gravatar.com/shackra [10]
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>
> Will take my conversation off-list if the community thinks it's
> derailed.
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#coadde
> [2]
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Symbolic/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_folk_religion#Yin_and_yang.E2.80.94gui_and_shen
> [4] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281
> [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c4
> [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry
> [7]
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Default/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
> [8] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c11
> [9] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> [10] https://es.gravatar.com/shackra
>
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