Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Jehan <jehan girinstud io>]

Hi,

On 2015-12-29 21:14, Elle Stone wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 01:07 PM, Jehan wrote:
> > To add a little more depth to this all, these are the in-progress
> > versions of the new default themes for GIMP.
> > Well at least, there would be a light and a dark version. Now one
> > question is: do we want to release also intermediate greys, which 
> > seems
> > to be a common request?
>
> Is this the kind of feedback you are looking for?

Not only. The kind of feedback you give below is also what I want. But I 
also wondered how many themes we should include in GIMP. I don't think 
we should have too many (we don't want to end up with a dozen themes), 
but I guess we should cover at least the bases.

> Please do include the Gray theme. Personally I don't like dark themes,
> to the point where if that's my only choice I'll either find a way to
> modify the theme colors or else I shy away from using the application
> at all.

Ok.

> The Gray and Light themes are both very nice, and both seem to run
> just fine on Gentoo Linux, as does the (far too dark for my
> preferences) "dark side of GIMP" theme.

Which Desktop/Windows manager, please? We had some issues when testing 
on KDE for instance so that's important information. :-)

As for the dark theme, I also find it too dar, even for a dark theme. I 
was wondering if just I was not used to this. But I wonder what other 
users of dark themes think of it.

> For the Gray theme I chose the lighter symbolic icons, and for the
> Light theme, I chose the darker symbolic icons. Otherwise there was
> too little contrast between the icons and the background.
>
> The Light theme color is light enough to be "light" without crossing
> the (somewhat indefinite) line into "too bright for comfortable
> continuous viewing", though the theme is definitely on the brighter

Which light theme are you refering to? The light (bug 759648) or 
alternate lighter one (bug 759830)?
I personally prefer the lighter one and thought that the first one was a 
little too much on the grey side. I don't think we will ship both, so 
we'd have to decide.
My idea is that if we provide a light, a grey and a dark one, it makes 
sense that the "light" one is really light.

> side of light. For comparison, the Krita "bright" theme is actually
> darker than the GIMP Light theme, being very close in tonality to the
> current default GIMP theme.

For info, it is possible that the Default theme may disappear in release 
since the light theme would take its place. We will always keep it in 
the dev version though, since the default theme is basically a bare 
non-themed GTK+ UI and it is good for development (a theme may make it 
harder to differentiate UI bugs from theme bugs).

> If I had to use GIMP in single window mode (something I never do),
> with the Light theme I'd use the "dark check" (middle gray) background
> option, which is very close to what Krita uses as the background for
> the Krita "bright" theme.

Are you suggesting we could use this same middle gray colour for one of 
the theme?

> Whoever drew the new monotone icons, they are *very* nice. Though in
> some ways I find the old icons with color a bit easier to look
> at/recognize, possibly only because I've looked at them for so long.

Icons were originally by Jakub Steiner and Barbara Muraus, from an icon 
set called "Art Libre".
And a contributor (Klaus Staedtler) completed the missing icons (as of a 
few minutes ago, all the color icon set have a symbolic equivalent, 
though some places still use the desktop theme, which may change soon).

I agree though that I have a hard time with the symbolic icons, but it 
may also be because I was just so used to the color ones as you point 
out.

> FWIW, I'll probably switch over from the Default to the SeaofGray
> theme, but still use the Default theme icons.
>
> Using Preferences to change from one theme to the next several times
> in a row makes the Toolbox get one icon narrower each time a different
> theme is selected.

I think you are refering to the fact that the new themes use smaller 
icons, so the tool rows change. Or are you really saying that each time 
you switch themes, you get X, then X-1, then X-2, then X-3, and so on 
tools in the toolbox?
Because I can't reproduce this.

If that's only about the size of the icons, then there may be soon an 
option to choose icon size whatever the theme instead of having it 
hardcoded in themes: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745835

> Some icons are missing, but I think you already have a list?

Yes, now all icons should be there, as said above.

Jehan

> Elle
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