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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP testing cooperation

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM, gregory grey <ror6ax gmail com> wrote:

I know about build.gimp.org.

I just wanted to raise this question to the attention of the team - of
whether there is a need to support own CI if security is not an
issue.It is literally only reason people do that now when we have
travis-ci.org/https://circleci.com/etc.Travis is even free for
opensource projects.

https://build.gimp.org/plugin/disk-usage/ looks pretty full to me, for
example. External CI do not have problems with that.


We know of the disk usage issue:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776631
That's one of the many issues which triggered us into either looking
for alternative solutions or collaboration or whatever you want.
Basically we want something which works, is useful and reliable. The
"need" stops there.

After, which software is it using? I think we don't really care. Now
obviously we'd prefer our whole infrastructure to run on Free
Software. And personally I like self-hosting for full control. But
then there is reality check: it requires contributor time and
administration skills. So in the end, the CI contributor(s) choose. In
the GIMP team, our policy is more or less that the one who *do* are
the one who are in charge of what they do.

Jehan


Also, build declaration files are much more manageable than pages with
tabs. Trust me, I'm dealing with huge builds every day.

2017-02-10 10:05 GMT+01:00 Vladimír Beneš <vbenes redhat com>:

On Fri, 2017-02-10 at 09:26 +0100, gregory grey wrote:

Hiya, I'm awaiting feedback from Sam on the same topic here. Count me
in on any related activities.

One of my questions would be if anyone ever considered using Travis
CI, which is taken case of by themselves and is used by lots of
opensource projects.



in NM area we do use Travis to check that it always compile after a
commit
https://travis-ci.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager

Sadly, it's Debian based only (if not mistaken totally) so not much
intersecting Fedora based distro interests :-(.

Vladimir


2017-02-09 23:52 GMT+01:00 Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>:

Hello Vladimir,

Unless mistaken, we never had any follow-up on your help proposition.
We are still very interested in any help on automatic testing
procedures. Our current continuous builds have been really shaky these
last months, with server issues for months at a time, and such. We
would appreciate some stable and reliable CI. Even more now that GIMP
2.10 release is approaching fast.

Are you still interested by this topic at Red Hat?
We would welcome any collaboration on the topic. :-)
Thanks!

Jehan


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com> wrote:

Hi Vladimir,

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Vladimír Beneš <vbenes redhat com> wrote:

Hi all,
we (at Red Hat) are very interested in GIMP as we do use it and we also
do test it (but not the latests releases). We would like to start or
participate in an automated testing efforts of upstream releases or
possibly master branch. I am not sure if you have anything ready for
automated testing of latest code but I wasn't able to find anything. We
do have some basic test set in-house but coverage is really far away
from ideal and as we have some resources to invest it would be nice to
properly cooperate in upstream directly.
We would be quite interested to set up a CI system if there is none or
possibly use GNOME continuous if applicable. Definitely open to ideas
here.


We actually already have a server running Jenkins at
https://build.gimp.org/ for CI. This said, there is currently only one
administrator (Sam Gleske, aka "samrocketman" on IRC) for this server,
and depending on his personal schedule (voluntary contributions), we
happened to have extended periods of time (sometimes up to months)
with the continuous integration broken.

Therefore I guess we would be happy to cooperate. You should get in
touch with Sam. What we discussed recently with Sam was:

1/ We'd like more administrators to share the work because when the
build server gets broken for months without anyone able to do anything
about it, that sucks. And such unreliability makes it useless for even
thinking about more advanced uses.

2/ We'd like to have as much of the CI process, scripts, and
everything documented (probably in a versionned repository) so that
developers are able to at least understand, access and maintain the
system a minimum when system admins disappear (less a problem with
several admins of course), and so that the job can be passed along
when needed. I'd like to avoid black box issues.

Basically our first goal is to make our system more reliable and
transparent. These are our main worries right now regarding CI.


As for coding style we are quite happy users of python Behave [1]
framework in not only GNOME projects using Dogtail [2] over a11y layer
or some kind of expect [3] if tests are cli based. For the code
readability and easiness to code we do use python to connect all these
together.
A good example of such code is in gnome-calculator [4] in feature files
or in gnome-boxes [5].


I think, us developers, are opened to ideas improving our continuous
integration, on server side and in new tests in our build system. Just
propose us what you have in mind.

Once again, I think what really matters to us is reliability: if
something is done, it must be meaningful, maintained and not break
tomorrow. CI is meant to help development, not become a burden to us.
:-)
Obviously contributions from RedHat, I would expect some good level of
maintenance. So we are definitely interested.


If you have any ideas where our cooperation should start or if you have
something ready and just not visible to us please point me to the right
direction.


Well you are welcome to propose us something, on the mailing list, or
through a bug report… And probably coming discuss this on IRC (#gimp
on irc.gimp.org) would be a first step.
The point is that any idea on this topic will rather be your level of
expertise (or Sam's) than ours, so we are open to suggestions.

Jehan


Looking forward to hearing from you,
Vladimir

[1] http://pythonhosted.org/behave/tutorial.html
[2] https://fedorahosted.org/dogtail/
[3] https://pexpect.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
[4] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calculator/tree/tests
[5] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/tree/tests

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