Re: [Gimp-developer] Asking for a Miracle !?

I truly have never understood the argument that Photoshop has a better UI
then GIMP and that GIMPs UI is ugly or sucks. I never understood GIMPshop,
all it does is rearranged the dialogs to be in the same default
configuration as Photoshop and changes the hot key settings to be more like
Photoshop... That's it.. Does not do anything the user could not do them
selves.  In my opinion Photoshop and GIMP pretty much have the same UI.
Don't think so? Let me break it down.

Both Photoshop and GIMP have the ability to be multiple window mode or
single window mode.

Photoshop by default has a toolbar to the very left, GIMP has by default a
toolbar to the very left.  The user has the ability to move the toolbar
where ever they want in both programs. In both programs the toolbar can be
floating or apart of the window. Both Photoshop and GIMPs toolbar generally
contain the same tools.

In the middle of the UI both Photoshop and GIMP have a canvas. Not too
exiting here, its where all your work is done. You have rollers, scroll
bars, and a status bar to give you information about what you are currently

Photoshop does have what GIMP calls the tool option dialog as a toolbar at
the top of the canvas(which I believe GIMP should have the option to do as
well). This is the only noticeable difference when you first load up GIMP.
After that people will find other differences.

To the right of the UI both Photoshop and GIMP have dialogs. They both act
very much the same, except Photoshop has the ability to collapse there's.
GIMP does not have all the dialogs that Photoshop does but it has the most
essential ones. Each dialog has a menu to give you options that only apply
to that dialog in both Photoshop and GIMP.

There is a menu above the invite window that for the most part is the same
in both Photoshop and GIMP. You can modify the image, layer, and filters
here. That's pretty much all people use the menu for.

Everything that Photoshop has that GIMP does not is mostly just fluff and
not really needed. Most everything you can do in Photoshop can be achieved
in GIMP. You just might need to work harder to do so.

The only thing I see as a true problem for people is GIMPs theme. The theme
gets in the way and distracts people from creating art. At least this is
what I have heard from many people and is my own experience.  I think I
have spent more time thinking about how the UI could be better, and wishing
for a flat theme then I have creating art in gimp.  And I know of many
others who say the same. That is why i created The Flat GIMP Icon Theme
[1], to let GIMP get out of your way and let you create art.

On Jul 30, 2015 6:52 AM, "C R" <cajhne gmail com> wrote:

On a positive note, I was able to answer some GIMP questions last night at
the London Linux meetup.
These questions came from a long time Photoshop and Corel Draw user, who
has tried GIMP and was stumbling as many do when coming from Photoshop as a
primary photo-editor. However within minutes, he had completely changed his
mind about GIMP. This is not the first time I've seen this happen. In fact,
it seems to be the default reaction when I show them this GIF I made of the
process of photoediting a paintbrush and wall for a charity website:

It seems to me, the real problem is not that it doesn't have the same UI as
Photoshop, but rather that people forget how long it took them to learn
Photoshop in the first place.
I've found that showing people the power of the software, more often than
not, rekindles that essential flame of curiosity, which is essential to
learning anything new. The rest is patience, and realising that the time
investment pays off tremendously in the end. Even if you can not replace
Photoshop entirely in your working environment, you have one more
standards-compliant tool to produce graphics, and this tool is usable by
everyone in the world at no charge. That's an enormous advantage over
Photoshop, and well worth the time it takes to learn the software.


On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:28 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre prokoudine gmail com> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Webdrifter wrote:

First of all, I realize you are passionate GIMPshop/GIMP user and I do
appreciate that. But you seem to be making a horrible lot of debatable

Downloads of Gimpshop really skyrocketed, thus proving the viability
and deer need for a product like this.

With free software that has no "phone back" feature you have no way to
estimate if downloaded software is used at all or if there's a hype
going on. Hence viability of GIMPshop is merely a speculation. The
same applies to GIMP as well.

A product that not only can knock Photoshop off it's throne, but that
could get rid off Photoshop's dominance and arrogance alltogether.

I think I can freely speak for the majority of the team here: we do
not define GIMP as a project that aims to dethrone Photoshop. You are
of course at liberty to disagree with our project vision.

You would think the Gimp society would have picked up on this,
however it never happened. Million's of people are still waiting for
miracle to happen again.

The reason it never happened is because noone cares enough to go ahead
and do that. So much for "millions" of people waiting for a miracle.

We should recognize this need and use it to our advantage, instead
of ignoring it.

By all means, please go ahead and fork GIMP :)

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