Re: [Gegl-developer] [Gimp-developer] babl roadmap: How do you know which images are sRGB images?

["Ed ." <ej_zg hotmail com>]

Elle,

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong 
man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The 
credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred 
by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes 
short again and again, because there is no effort without error and 
shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great 
enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who 
at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the 
worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place 
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor 
defeat."
 - Theodore Roosevelt

Time for you to stop making vaguely patronising remarks and make an 
actionable suggestion, or leave this.

Hugs and positivity,
Ed

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elle Stone
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM
Cc: gegl-developer-list ; Gimp-developer
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl roadmap: How do you know 
which images are sRGB images?

On 10/14/2014 07:16 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Elle Stone
> <ellestone ninedegreesbelow com> wrote:
> > On 10/13/2014 06:36 PM, Elle Stone wrote:
> > So again, upon opening an image, how do you plan to detect whether the 
> > image
> > is an sRGB image or not?
>
> > Will you compare MD5 checksums?
> > Will you consult the profile descriptions?
> > Will you examine the profile colorants and TRCs?
>
> Most likely examination of profile colorants/TRCs since that is
> what ICC or other color profile meta-data aware image loaders needs to
> provide down to babl anyways.

You did pick the only plausible answer: check the colorants and TRCs.

> In many
> circumstances it is desirable to to treat almost sRGB as sRGB and
> consider deviance from the real standard a mistake in labeling; for
> instance if it is a low bitdepth image containing dithering - at other
> times assuming that the slight off profile has been applied as is
> earlier in the production pipeline might be desirable.

For most users, for most purposes, you as developer can probably decide
for the user that "slight off" means "close enough". The trouble is you
don't know whether "slight off" is a mistake or intentional.

The profile maker might have used something other than Bradford
adaptation to make the profile. This is allowed by the ICC specs, and
would result in slightly different colorants.

The artist might be fully aware that the profile is not exactly like the
GIMP built-in profile, and nonetheless intend to use the embedded sRGB
profile instead of the GIMP built-in sRGB profile. Perhaps the existing
gray axis needs to be preserved.

And so on. You think it's OK to second-guess and decide for the artist
what happens to the artist's RGB data. But it's really not OK.

Elle Stone

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