Re: Face recognition in GDM ...

[José Miguel Buenaposada Biencinto <jmbuenaposada escet urjc es>]

Thanks a lot both ...

I like to do the things in the right way. If PAM is tha place to do
that we'll go for it. Bob, could you send to me this example GUI
code for PAM? I will be very happy with that.

Best regards to all.
JM.

Bob Doolittle wrote:

> Anybody can very easily write a GUI to accomplish the goal here with
> PAM.  You could put up a GUI displaying the current face, with a
> prompt under it for "Press enter to start recognition".  When enter is
> pressed, the PAM module could use any number of IPC mechanisms
> (like a two-way pipe) to signal the GUI to acquire the frame and pass
> back status.  Maybe you can write prompt strings to the GUI on a pipe
> and it can write back status.
>
> As mentioned before, this solution would apply to screen locks as
> well as GDM.  Wouldn't you like to unlock your screen this way also?
>
> But the bigest benefit from a masters thesis POV is the simplicity
> resulting from the isolation.  It's simple to write a PAM client to
> test the GUI out (I'll send you mine if you like, it's about 30 lines
> of code IIRC), letting you focus on the GUI and recognition instead of
> learning the internals of gdm.  When you want gdm to use it it's
> trivial to edit /etc/pam.conf to put the service module on the stack,
> as well as the stack of your favorite screen-lock utility.
>
> I'm sorry George, but there's just no contest here.  PAM is simpler
> and more flexible for this particular application.  Authentication is
> what it's designed for.  I'll agree that for a more complex GUI PAM
> has shortcomings (I'm in the middle of that right now for a more
> complex GUI I'm having to PAM-ify), but this seems simple
> enough to provide a good fit.
>
> -Bob
>
> George wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 01:02:16PM +0200, José Miguel Buenaposada 
> > Biencinto wrote:
> >  
> >
> > snipped
> >  
> >
> >
> > As was pointed out, the somewhat correct blue sky way of doing things 
> > would
> > be PAM, with the caveat that PAM would kind of suck for this (PAM 
> > sucks in
> > many ways, but it's better then the alternative since there are 
> > really no
> > alternatives).  PAM is a question and answer kind of system which is
> > synchroneous in nature.  So really the best you could do is that the pam
> > module would say something like: "Press enter to start recognition" 
> > and then
> > gdm would wait for enter, then the PAM code could figure out the 
> > username and
> > such ...
> >
> > I think way too much whackiness for a masters thesis ... I think for a
> > prototype it would be best to just modify gui/gdmlogin.c which is the
> > standard greeter.  I suspect most code will be the face recognition 
> > and this
> > would be the absolutely simplest way of getting it working quickly.  
> > Later
> > when someone is in a masochistic mood, that person should attempt to 
> > write a
> > PAM module and use that code.  Really that's just an implementation 
> > detail.
> >
> > So in summary, PAM is the correct place to do this except that PAM was
> > invented by people that hated GUIs and GUI programmers in general and 
> > wanted
> > to make their life as miserable as possible.  That is my current theory.
> >
> > George
> >
> >  


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