Re: Garnome 2.13.5

["Joseph E. Sacco, PhD" <joseph_sacco comcast net>]

Larry,

You seem to have some issues that I don't think I can resolve.  The
people at ubuntu may be able to help you.

-Joseph

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On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 09:28 -0800, Larry Miller wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
> 
> > Larry,
> >
> > I am puzzled by your remarks.
> 
> How did you get a Ph.D.?
> 
> > GARNOME has been successfully built and
> > installed on a number of different hardware and software platforms.
> 
> Not mine.
> 
> > As
> > stated in the README, GARNOME is "bleeding edge".  If you work on the
> > bleeding edge you can get cut.
> 
> Except that "The Official Gnome 2 Developer's Guide" advertises it as  
> "the easy way to get the Gnome development environment".
> >
> >> From my experiences, I can tell you that a build environment like
> > GARNOME is a hacker's framework.
> 
> Precisely. So it is not reasonable to take it "seriously" like a  
> commercial framework like Windows or OSX.
> 
> > It is not a C.O.T. package. Since
> > GNOME is rapidly evolving [sometimes hourly], it is implicitly assumed
> > that you have developer skills if you wish to build the latest
> > environment.
> 
> I only have 40 years' experience with computer software development.  
> Probably not enough. In any case, other OS's see fit to have a stable  
> model available, which I think you would agree is essential to having  
> a package like GARNOME run unattended (which is how it is presented  
> in the "Official Gnome  2 Developer's Guide").
> 
> > For reference, GNOME uses even version numbers for stable releases and
> > odd version numbers for unstable releases. So 2.12.x is stable and
> > 2.13.5 is not [and I do mean *not*].
> >
> > If you are looking for a stable replacement for the 2.10.0 that ships
> > with ubuntu,
> 
> 2.12.2 is the current ubuntu version. But ubuntu does not ship with a  
> programming environment. So I turned to GARNOME as advised by the  
> book, which was a mistake.
> 
> > build the GARNOME 2.12.x release. The gnome-2.12 branch of
> > GARNOME CVS is current.
> 
> 2.12.x is the one where I had all of the crashes. I HAD all of the  
> dependencies; none of the fatal errors were related to those. The  
> problem is that GARNOME fetched files that had been changed since the  
> GARNOME build shortly before. "Stable" in Linuxland is something of a  
> joke. In fact, you bozos brag about how often you change things.  
> Can't you get it right?
> 
> > GARNOME has an IRC channel
> >
> >         irc://irc.gnome.org:6667/garnome
> >
> > that is actively monitored by the GARNOME developers. You may find it
> > helpful.
> 
> As I said, in the end I was able to get my development environment up  
> without GARNOME. But since textbooks are being written that reference  
> GARNOME, supposedly for people that have the skill levels for  
> something like Visual C++ or the OSX developer package, you might  
> want to set your success threshold a bit higher in terms of actually  
> having your package work.
> 
> I doubt that you will.
> >
> >
> > -Joseph
> >
> > ====================================================================== 
> > =========
> > On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 01:54 -0800, Larry Miller wrote:
> >> Is it REALLY fixed? Will it work on some machine *other than your  
> >> own*?
> >>
> >> I have yet to have any Garnome tarball execute without a bunch of
> >> errors.
> >>
> >> I got all of the dependencies and followed the instructions TO THE
> >> LETTER.
> >>
> >> Environment: Mac Mini, Ubuntu 5.10, installed as user "garnome"
> >>
> >> With some source patching and other fiddling I was able to get the
> >> Desktop to compile and run, but there were many other packages where
> >> I had no idea what to do to remedy fatal errors.
> >>
> >> I did get the GTK+/Glade suite up on my own (which is what I was
> >> after in the first place, so I can build Gnome/GTK GUI applications.
> >> I just went through the whole GTK dependency tree and got
> >> *everything* I found mentioned. Miraculously, it seems to work.
> >>
> >> I don't know how you expect Linux to "take over the world" when
> >> practically every package has dependency hell. Can't you get the
> >> various groups to make up a GARNOME version and -just-leave-it-
> >> alone???? Your package seems to be out-of-date within minutes of your
> >> proud announcements.
> >>
> >> Great idea. If it only worked.
> >>
> >> L. D. Miller
> > -- 
> > joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net
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