Re: garnome-list digest, Vol 1 #201 - 3 msgs

[John Russell <drjimmy42 yahoo com>]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I actually do use the kde garnome
release.  However, I must admit, I don't use either the kde or gnome
parts for testing and development.  I just use them because garnome is
by FAR the easiest way to install either kde or gnome and is obviously
extremely up to date.  

>I don't know why, because this is meant to be
>a testing system, but anyway... Perhaps we are getting too bold. But
>it's
>fun anyway. :-)

I don't think using garnome for non-testing is bold at all.  Like I
said, this thing is even easier than the ximian installer, and more
selfcontained.  I can just delete one directory and everything is gone. 
I may be getting a little in front of the cart here, but it seems to me
that this is a perfect tool for beginners and experts alike.  Where else
can you type 'make install' watch braveheart and then have your desktop
ready to go.  Truly incredible.  Just some thoughts.  

John

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>    1. Upcoming GARNOME Changes / Anyone use KDE? / Need a Co-conspirator! (Jeff Waugh)
>    2. Re: OT: No gtk-cleanice-engine = RIP elysiuym.zoned.net? (Rafal Krzewski)
>    3. libxml2-2.4.24 & gcc-3.2 compile issues? (michael stattmann coremedia com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:26:29 +1000
> From: Jeff Waugh <jdub perkypants org>
> To: GARNOME Dudes <garnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: Upcoming GARNOME Changes / Anyone use KDE? / Need a Co-conspirator!
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> So I'm considering some changes to GARNOME as we move into the 2.1.x release
> series...
> 
> 1) New Heirarchy. Again.
> ------------------------
> 
> Currently everything's organised under fairly hokey project-based
> directories, ie. gnome/, kde/, gstreamer/ with misc/ providing a dumping
> ground for Random Stuff and meta/ including garballs with dependencies only.
> I'm keen to move this to a release-based system, like the new FTP site. So
> we'd have something like:
> 
>   platform/   GNOME Developer Platform
>   desktop/    GNOME Desktop
>   fifth-toe/  GNOME Fifth Toe (cool apps)
>   office/     GNOME Office
>   misc/       Miscellaneous extras provided by GARNOME, could just call this
>               'extras', but it could be 'garnome' (for 'GARNOME Desktop').
>               Not entirely sure, but I really don't like having three levels
>               of 'garnome' in CVS. :-) This directory would mostly include
>               not-quite-GNOME dependencies (such as libesmtp, etc).
> 
> ... and thus, no need for meta/, as you can just go into any of the release
> directories and type 'make install' to get its contents. Very nice.
> 
> The second organisational change is to add new branches for 2.0.x and 2.1.x.
> I'm going check in all of my 2.1.x stuff at some stage, but it makes sense
> to have two versions running. I don't know why, because this is meant to be
> a testing system, but anyway... Perhaps we are getting too bold. But it's
> fun anyway. :-)
> 
> Thus, we'd have different version numbers for GARNOME releases, and a number
> of branches. Listed here with released tarball names and CVS branch/tag
> names.
> 
>   Tarball                  Branch      Tag
> 
>   garnome-2.1.0.tar.gz     HEAD        GARNOME_2_1_0 
>   garnome-2.1.0.1.tar.gz   HEAD        GARNOME_2_1_0_1
>   garnome-2.0.0.tar.gz     gnome-2-0   GARNOME_2_0_0
>   garnome-2.0.0.1.tar.gz   gnome-2-0   GARNOME_2_0_0_1
>   garnome-1.4.1.tar.gz     gnome-1-4   GARNOME_1_4_1
>   garnome-1.4.1.1.tar.gz   gnome-1-4   GARNOME_1_4_1_1
> 
> The fourth number is for GARNOME point releases (that make up for fuckups).
> The rest of the version number shows which version of GNOME it will build.
> Yes, that really is "garnome-1.4.1", and it means what you think it means
> (if you've been reading and paying attention, those not doing so can stay
> after class). :-)
> 
> This does cause some complications for CVS usage, however. When a project
> shifts releases, do you move it over in the repo, copy it over in the repo
> (and delete it in the new branch), or just create and delete on the new
> branch? If you moved it in the repo, the old releases would change too,
> which is not correct. I think we'd have to just create/delete without
> touching the repo. Otherwise the history would poison the other bracnes...
> 
> Anyway, open to discussion about this.
> 
> 
> 2) Anyone use KDE?
> ------------------
> 
> Does anyone actually use KDE in GARNOME? I'm tempted to move it out due to a
> lot of bad voodoo caused by the changes described in point 1. If each
> version were maintained on a separate branch, where would KDE live? Would we
> have to update it in each branch all the time? How much would that suck
> (hint: a lot).
> 
> We could always create a new KDE release alongside the 1.4/2.0/2.1 releases,
> but probably better to maintain it in a separate directory in CVS. Not sure.
> 
> Thoughts on this?
> 
> 
> 3) Need a Co-conspirator!
> -------------------------
> 
> So, with all of that happening, and 2.1.x gaining steam, I'm going to need a
> co-conspirator to help out with GARNOME. Currently, it's just me. I'd prefer
> someone who already had GNOME CVS access, simply because that's a trust
> metric I can work with immediately. :-) However, if you're competent with
> GAR, and are mostly interested in maintaining the 2.0.x stuff, please let me
> know regardless of your access to GNOME CVS.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> -- 
>      Broken hearts rarely come with "Some Assembly Required" stickers.      
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:47:49 +0200
> From: Rafal Krzewski <rkrzewsk ngo pl>
> To: garnome-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: OT: No gtk-cleanice-engine = RIP elysiuym.zoned.net?
> 
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> >>Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty sure
> >>it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find gtk-cleanice
> >>anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice package, I'll post
> >>it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone knew the scoop.
> > 
> > Oh. See, I use a GARCHIVE, which means I sometimes don't find out about
> > download issues... I'll have to ask dobey what he's doing with cleanice.
> 
> The problem with elysium.zoned.net seems to persist. I also weren't able
> to find gtk-engine-cleanice anywhere else either. Could you take a look
> at that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rafal
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> From: michael stattmann coremedia com
> To: garnome-list gnome org
> Subject: libxml2-2.4.24 & gcc-3.2 compile issues?
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:27:03 +0200 
> 
> does anybody else have problems compiling libxml2-2.4.24 in 0.17.1?
> 
> gcc-3.2 is reporting a undeclared variable in nanohttp.c (len), nanoftp.c
> (dataAddrLen). the reason for this is that both are defined through
> #ifndef SOCKLEN_T
> #define SOCKLEN_T unsigned int (in my case)
> 
> SOCKLEN_T len - respectively - dataAddrLen
> 
> but the compiler somehow doesn't like this. i don't know much about c -
> sorry. workaround: declaring the variable directly, not through SOCKLEN_T.
> 
> cheers
> michael
> 
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