Re: What do you think of the foundation?

[Jamie McCracken <jamie mccrack googlemail com>]

I dont think there is a problem in the community to be honest

whilst some people do have strong opinions and there are indeed factions
within gnome which can be very vocal, I dont think anyone can say gnome
has truly poisonous and destructive people. 

Sure some poeple can come across as arrogant or aloof at times and they
may also appear hostile to others but it rarely is a problem really -
its part and parcel of any community 

Gnome is generally a happy place IMO and I dont think the board needs to
act in this area yet

jamie


On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:45 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
> So I'm hearing Dave say we need more policing and Philip saying
> everything is ok. What do others think?
> 
> Does the community think everything is ok? Or if not, do they want to
> self police or delegate taking action to the board? (Or both.)
> 
> Philip, I agree that your blog is yours, but supposedly you write blog
> posts, emails, IRC chats to tell people something. So if you are
> offending them and responding angrily, are you communicating what you
> want to be saying to them? For example, if you think people are too
> politically correct, the way to persuade them of that is probably not
> to swear at them. 
> 
> I think you have the right to freedom of speech. I even think you have
> the right to say it any tone and with any words you want to. But if
> you want people to listen, you need to speak to them in a way *they*
> don't find offensive.
> 
> And this is often really hard to do. I dread some conversation topics,
> like politics, because people are so emotionally involved they end up
> "yelling" at each other and neither side convinces the other of
> anything. 
> 
> Hopefully in the GNOME community we can stick to the topic and keep
> out offensive language or behaviors so that we can have productive
> conversations. Often that means making your behavior match a social
> norm, even if it's more "politically correct" than you'd normally be.
> 
> For example, some of my SO's friends tend to swear a lot more than I'm
> used to. It doesn't offend me, but I don't do it. I've noticed that
> they don't swear when they talk directly to me. They're socially aware
> and they've adapted to my social norm. 
> 
> I suppose the question is what is our social norm? That's what Dave
> and Philip seem to be debating.
> 
> Stormy
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Philip Van Hoof <pvanhoof gnome org>
> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 16:46 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
>         
>         > Philip Van Hoof wrote:
>         
>         > <snip aggressive rant>
>         
>         
>         As every opinion of me is looked as being aggressive, it's no
>         longer
>         possible for me to have this discussion in a constructive kind
>         of way.
>         
>         
>         --
>         Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer
>         home: me at pvanhoof dot be
>         gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org
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