Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market



Hi Sanne:

Javier's e-mail is the only contact I have. :-( He may be in the process of moving, but I'm not sure.  I'm 
CC'ing Peter Korn, however.  He may have some contacts that you can use.

Will

On Mar 30, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Sanne te Meerman wrote:

Hi Willie,

Besides a practical comment from Andre Klapper, you were the only one who responded to my request for a 
talk about accessibility. I've tried to contact Javier Martinez, but so far I have not received a reply. 
Could you connect us? I'm still very much interested.

Thanks,
Sanne

Sanne te Meerman schreef:
Wow, that's really great... the fact that a local organisation gets involved with software development 
from the bottom up is fantastic, but this is also great for marketing Open Source, a showcase for the 
added value of open source development. And for Gnome and Guadec this could also be very valuable. Thank 
you. Javier, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear more.

Sanne

Willie Walker schreef:
Hi:

The ONCE organization in Spain does a fair amount with GNOME and GNOME accessibility.  I'm CC'ing Javier 
Martinez on this e-mail -- he's my primary contact with ONCE.

Will

Sanne te Meerman wrote:
I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre)

Thanks Dave,


If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of 
public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails 
of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe 
someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in 
shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector.
I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for that. Again, if someone 
from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know.


thank you,

Sanne



Hi,

Stormy Peters wrote:

I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
 

I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector
markets in Europe.

Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also,
as government sector users of GNOME.

Chers,
Dave.



Stormy Peters schreef:
I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I think we need to do this. Anybody 
willing to help Sanne?

Stormy

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman <sanne opensourceadvies nl <mailto:sanne 
opensourceadvies nl>> wrote:

   Hi,

   Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about
   Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is
   experienced in this subject?


   thank you,
   Sanne te Meerman
   Guadec organisation

   Sanne te Meerman schreef:

       I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being
       off-topic, I've made a subthread.

       I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation.
       I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec
       (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on
       accessibility and usability can draw attention for several
       reasons, in my opinion:
       -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important.
       Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with
       policymakers (more than technique)
       -Government is more inclined to have attention to these
       subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention
       and pressure to these issues.
       -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best
       way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people.
       The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to
       more traditional ICT companies in this niche market.

       It might be good to have some sessions about usability and
       accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other
       suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and
       targeting the government market, that someone can point me to.
       That would be helpful.

       thank you,
       Sanne te Meerman

       Brian Cameron schreef:


           Willie/Dave:

           It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of
           accessibility a bit more.  For example, I think it would
           be nice to
           highlight something about the GNOME accessibility
           community.  Perhaps
           something about the fact that a number of people with
           disabilities
           participate in development and in user forums.  I think
           the promise of
           joining a community of people working to address
           accessibility usability
           issues is attractive to highlight.

           If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree.

           Brian


               Thanks Dave!  Something about the "specialised
               hardware to interact with applications" portion seems
               odd to me.

               In GNOME, we have a core value that people with
               disabilities have free compelling access to the
               graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this
               with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry
               leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by
               built-in assistive technologies including a screen
               reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard.  With a
               model of "built in" versus  "bolted on", GNOME not
               only has free compelling accessibility today, but it
               also  provides a
               rich and stable base for future accessibility  work.

               or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by
               people with disabilities" to the first sentence):

               In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is
               a core value that touches all aspects of the system.
               With a model of "built in" versus  "bolted on", the
               GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead  the
               industry in accessible design. From the
               infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the
               applications, to the assistive technologies,
               accessibility has been a central consideration from
               the very early days. As a result, GNOME not only has
               compelling accessibility today, but it also  provides a
               rich and stable base for future accessibility  work.

               Will

               On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

                   Hi,

                   Shorter would be better, I think.

                   How about this (pure edit, no additions):

                   In GNOME, making sure that people with
                   disabilities can use our software
                   is a core value. From infrastructure allowing our
                   built-in screen reader
                    or specialised hardware to interact with
                   applications to utilities to
                   make it easier for people with motor problems to
                   interact with a
                   computer, accessibility in GNOME is built-in, not
                   bolted on. As a result
                   GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today,
                   it also provides a
                   rich foundation for the future.

                   How does that read? Covers all the bases, I think
                   - a11y is a core
                   value, what does accessibility mean, and how do we
                   make things easier
                   for people with disabilities. Maybe needs a quick
                   fact check on the
                   second sentence (it is at-spi that lets Orca do
                   its thang, isn't it?)

                   Cheers,
                   Dave.


                   Willie Walker wrote:

                       Here's a bunch of run-ons... :-)

                       In GNOME, accessibility by people with
                       disabilities is a core value that
                       touches all  aspects of the system. With a
                       model of "built in" versus
                        "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project
                       has helped lead  the
                       industry in accessible design. From the
                       accessibility infrastructure, to
                       the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to
                       the assistive
                       technologies, accessibility has been a central
                       consideration from the
                       very early days of GNOME. As a result, GNOME
                       not only has compelling
                       accessibility today, but it also provides a
                       rich and stable base for
                       future accessibility work.

                       Today, users have built-in keyboard
                       navigation, highly customizable
                       fonts/colors/icons, keyboard enhancements such
                       as StickyKeys, the
                       MouseTweaks tool that provides mouse clicking
                       features by dwelling, the
                       GOK on screen keyboard that can be driven via
                       dwell clicking and
                       switches, the Dasher predictive text entry
                       tool, and the Orca screen
                       reader and magnifier. Developers also have the
                       glade-3 tool that helps
                       encourage accessible user interface design and
                       the accerciser tool that
                       helps developers analyze how their application
                       is exposed to the
                       built-in accessibility infrastructure.  For
                       tomorrow, the GNOME project
                       is busily working on enhancing the on screen
                       keyboard and magnifier,
                       developing ways to use web cameras to move the
                       mouse based upon
                       head/body position, and making the solution
                       much more friendly to
                       resource constrained devices such as netbooks
                       and the OLPC.

                       Will

                       On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:

                           Looks good.

                           Can we add a sentence or two about what
                           accessibility is or give some
                           examples of the technology?

                           Stormy

                           On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Willie Walker
                           <William Walker sun com
                           <mailto:William Walker sun com>> wrote:

                               Here's a quick snippet I might propose:

                                In GNOME, accessibility is a core
                               value that touches all  aspects of
                               the system. With a model of "built in"
                               versus  "bolted on", the GNOME
                               Accessibility project has helped lead
                                the industry in accessible
                               design. From the infrastructure, to
                               the graphical toolkit, to the
                               applications, to the assistive
                               technologies, accessibility has been a
                               central consideration from the very
                               early days. As a result, GNOME
                                not only has compelling accessibility
                               today, but it also  provides a
                               rich and stable base for future
                               accessibility  work.

                                Will


                                On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Stormy
                               Peters wrote:

                                    Paul Cutler and Denise Walters
                                   were working on that part so
                                   hopefully one of them will chime in.

                                    It'd probably be good to ask the
                                   a11y team for a short summary to
                                   put there though.

                                    Stormy

                                    On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:34 PM,
                                   Ben Konrath <ben bagu org
                                   <mailto:ben bagu org>> wrote:



                                        On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:03
                                       PM, Stormy Peters
                                       <stormy gnome org
                                       <mailto:stormy gnome org>>
                                       wrote:
                                        <snip>

                                           Accessibility:

                                           [photgraph of user
                                           interacting with A11Y tools]


                                        Is there a reason why there
                                       is no text for this section?
                                       Did you guys
                                        not have time to write
                                       something up during the
                                       meeting or was it
                                       lost
                                        in a cut 'n paste? :-) I'm
                                       really just wondering what's
                                       up just so I
                                        know if this is something the
                                       a11y team needs to write up if
                                       we go
                                        ahead with the Braille handouts.

                                        Cheers, Ben


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