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Today's Topics:
1. re. Negative Space (Tech Support Department)
2. Re: Adding a New Diagram type (Arigead)
3. Re: re. Negative Space (Steffen Macke)
4. Re: re. Negative Space (Michael Ross)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:36:04 -0400
From: Tech Support Department<tech frontrowcomputer com>
To: dia-list gnome org
Subject: re. Negative Space
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Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that only the space between the main
lines was printed because that's where the page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page
breaking before the zero line, and that will print out as well?
On 08/02/2011 08:00 AM, dia-list-request gnome org wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Bugzilla animation. (Steffen Macke)
2. Re: Canvas2 (Tech Support Department)
3. Negative Space (Tech Support Department)
4. Re: Negative Space (Steffen Macke)
5. Re: Bugzilla animation. (Michael Ross)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:59:25 +0200
From: Steffen Macke<dia diagramr biz>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
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Subject: Re: Bugzilla animation.
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Hi Mike,
On 07/31/2011 07:01 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
I was looking for the animation of historical changes to Dia made from
Bugzilla and posted here a year or to ago, but I can't seem to formulate a
search that retrieves it.
I can't remember such an animation made from Bugzilla data. But maybe
you're referring to the video created from Git data. It's available on
http://dia-installer.de/community/authors.html
Regards,
Steffen
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Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:21:45 -0400
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Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:23:17 -0400
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Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:05:01 +0200
From: Steffen Macke<dia diagramr biz>
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Subject: Re: Negative Space
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Hi,
On 08/01/2011 06:23 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
Is there any official explanation of the negative space in the canvas area? I am
referring to the area to the left and above the zero points. Thanks.
Is there any problem with the "negative space" ? You can use it for your
drawings, just as you can
use the "positive space". For Dia it doesn't matter if your coordinates
are prefixed with a "-".
Regards,
Steffen
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:01:11 -0400
From: Michael Ross<michael e ross gmail com>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: Bugzilla animation.
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Exactly, thanks!
I mis-remembered what it came from.
This is a great thing for new people to review - helps understand the
shoulders they stand on when they use/misuse Dia.
Mike
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Steffen Macke<dia diagramr biz> wrote:
Hi Mike,
On 07/31/2011 07:01 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
I was looking for the animation of historical changes to Dia made from
Bugzilla and posted here a year or to ago, but I can't seem to formulate a
search that retrieves it.
I can't remember such an animation made from Bugzilla data. But maybe
you're referring to the video created from Git data. It's available on
http://dia-installer.de/**community/authors.html<http://dia-installer.de/community/authors.html>
Regards,
Steffen
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:56:52 +0100
From: Arigead<arigead gmail com>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
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Subject: Re: Adding a New Diagram type
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On Saturday 30 Jul 2011 01:59:45 Ron Wilson wrote:
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:00 AM,<dia-list-request gnome org> wrote:
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:06:36 +0100
From: Arigead<arigead gmail com>
To: dia-list gnome org
Subject: Adding a New Diagram type
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Hello all,
I'm new here and haven't lurked, as yet, but wanted to ask a question
about adding a new diagram type to Dia. I'm not sure where to start but
wanted to make structured diagrams like an electronic schematic where
the interconnections are significant.
I assume I have to add a new plugin? and add my XML components.
Not so difficult as that. See: http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Documentation
Thanks for that I'm looking into that documentation and will hopefuly get back
with a more specific question. I'd done a search for Dia and found the
Subversion repo so your link is obviously more up to date then the ones I
found.
Thanks again for your help.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:09:50 +0200
From: Steffen Macke<dia diagramr biz>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: re. Negative Space
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Hi,
On 08/02/2011 05:36 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that
only the space between the main lines was printed because that's where
the page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page breaking
before the zero line, and that will print out as well?
Which Dia version are you referring to? Note that e.g. Dia master has at
least one pagination bug fix
compared to Dia 0.97.1.
Regards,
Steffen
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:16:19 -0400
From: Michael Ross<michael e ross gmail com>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: re. Negative Space
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TSD,
You are making more of this than is necessary.
The diagram origin where x and y are 0 is essentially arbitrary. You do not
need to concern yourself with it. If you draw in the negative space as you
call it you will be crossing page breaks and for Dia to print it will have
to print a page wherever you have drawn things. It is not a problem as far
as I know - draw wherever you like. There is no importance to the origin
that I know of. If you like you can always draw with positive numbers on
the ruler, that will work too.
If you want all your work to be on on single pages, then never cross a page
break line and arrange your work on adjacent pages within the marked areas.
(You can draw right up to the page breaks because the margins will be added
when you print.) If you want to draw north and south, east and west of the
first page it will make no difference - except maybe the pagination will be
unknown until you try it. (I have never experimented with the pagination,
and it sounds like there may be some odd behavior.)
But if you cross a page break line Dia will have to put the work on two
pages when it is time to print.
Here is the drill.
Start a Dia and set up how you want the pages - paper size, landscape or
portrait, and how much margin you want to show on the printed page.
The page breaks will be at the dimensions of the printed area you have
described.
Zoom in to a single page and start drawing. If you want it all on one page
- a normal thing to want, then don't draw across the page break lines.
If you want a little more room, you can revisit the page set up and change
the scale. A smaller scale means what you have drawn will be scaled smaller
relative the the page size.
If you didn't take up the whole page then you can scale the drawing up to
better fill the page.
Suppose you have given up on the idea of all the Dia on one single letter
size page. You can choose a larger page size - say B size which is two
portrait letter pages side by side.
You just change it and the page breaks are reconfigured according to the
scale and margins you have set. Your Dia will probably not be
in exactly the placement you like so you move things around in the B size
printed area (margins not shown), don't cross the page breaks and it will
all print out on one B size page.
Suppose you now have a Dia that is huge or so detailed that it will be hard
to read. Now you can simply scale it to fit over as many pages you want -
without any regard to the numbers on the ruler. When you print Dia will
break it up into the exact pages shown by the page breaks. The printed
pages will have the material from within the page breaks outlined by the
exact margins you specified. If your printer will do it you could probably
have no margins at all. But forget that, it you print this huge Dia that
covers many pages you can simple take your transparent tape or glue stick
and piece all the individual pages together into a single poster.
This is all very interesting, but it never really comes up for the work I do
with Dia. For a project I may draw all over the Dia work area. The first
page might have a graph from an image in another program. Then I annotate
that, then I create a new image of a graph where the test was changed, then
I may start to add narrative about the difference in tests. I might move
below or above and put together a functional block diagram, to the right is
a flow chart, there might be some more images of test apparatus or
photographic evidence from the testing. I might have an areas that just
contains handy shapes I have created that I want to copy elsewhere. I might
create a layers and overlay mark ups that can be toggled on and off.
I do this with no concern for how printing will turn out because I hardly
ever use Dia for printing. I usually compose a printed page from some
elements of the overall diagram, and do a screen dump when I like it. I
will take that as a jpg and add it to Open Office docs, or webpages. More
often than not I never print anything.
Frequently, I take these screen dumps into Inkscape where I can create
transparent overlays. Sometime I have to work with scanned images that are
mishapen and I use Gimp to deform them into a rectangular shape and combine
them in Inkscape with other visual elements, or a screen dump then back into
Dia for annotation.
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Steffen Macke<dia diagramr biz> wrote:
Hi,
On 08/02/2011 05:36 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that
only the space between the main lines was printed because that's where the
page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page breaking before
the zero line, and that will print out as well?
Which Dia version are you referring to? Note that e.g. Dia master has at
least one pagination bug fix
compared to Dia 0.97.1.
Regards,
Steffen
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