Re: PackageKit FUD, Was: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager



Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 17:36 +0000, Richard Hughes a écrit :
> On 11/25/08, Josselin Mouette <joss debian org> wrote:
> > It is also very unlikely that Debian embraces PackageKit as long as its
> > target feature set is stick to the RPM capabilities.
> 
> Please don't spread FUD, it's just not true. Please do some research
> before making ridiculous claims like that.

That’s no more FUD than what you said about Debian tools [0], so let’s
say it’s a misunderstanding to remain polite.

> At the moment, PackageKit
> works with apt, alpm, box, conary, opkg, pisi, poldek, smart, urpmi,
> yum and zypp. It even has functionality that cannot work with rpm and
> yum, so this really isn't an RPM focused thing...

Supporting APT is one thing, but supporting what other APT frontends do
is another one. As long as you restrict the feature set to the lowest
common denominator, my remark holds. Currently it deliberately violates
our policies despite all attempts at discussing it, and it would be kept
out of the testing branch as soon as it is uploaded.

> > After discussing
> > this issue with Ubuntu maintainers, I think the same will probably hold
> > for Ubuntu since we pretty much agreed.
> 
> Err, PackageKit is currently planned to be shipped in Ubuntu. I'm not
> sure who you talked to, but there are developers working on converting
> gnome-app-install and the Ubuntu update viewer to using the PackageKit
> API.

Maybe the GNOME Ubuntu maintainers changed their plans recently; if
that’s the case, I’d have liked to discuss about it, but I can’t say it
comes as a surprise it wasn’t the case…

> > Furthermore, Synaptic is already integrated in totem (through
> > gnome-app-install)
> 
> That's not integration. Any time you're running a separate GTK
> application as root it's _fail-o-clock_ time.

I do not deny the application design of PackageKit is orders of
magnitude better. Still, that doesn’t make it any better in terms of
features.

> Even better, join the PackageKit mailing list, and ask questions there.

As I already stated, I have much interest into bringing PackageKit to a
level where it is usable for Debian. I’ve joined the mailing list even
though I’m too busy to follow all of it. However, the hostility I have
encountered so far is not encouraging. I don’t think Debian currently
has the resources to maintain a full fork after the necessary code has
been written.

[0] http://wiki.debian.org/PackageKit

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